Gestion d'un set up de 52 Midi channels / tracks

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#1
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Bonsoir, je suis DJ et producteur depuis de nombreuses années et après être passées par des set up de toutes sortes, j’ai pris la décision de me faire un set up dont le coeur est Elektron et de conserver autour de ce noyau des instruments qui m’étais chère.

Ce set up tournent essentiellement autour de trois marques.

Elektron donc, dont j’ai toutes les machines.

Moog : DFAM, MOTHER 32, Subharmonicon, patcher à un grandmother.

Et Erica Synth; pour introduire un peu de surprise dans tout ça et de la radicalité.

J’ai beaucoup de pédales, Strymon, Erica Synth, Elektron Analog heat et un boite de fx DJ master and sound.

ET un Novation Peak, un AS-1 et un Microfreak.

Beaucoup de monde donc, piloter en dehors de chaque machine par un keystep (en dehors de mon set up DJ qui rentre directement sur une A&H ZED 428).

Et beaucoup de monde veux dire beaucoup de midi channel, à priori 52. Comment je fait pour gérer tout ça. Je viens de voir que Kenton venait de sortir un 25, ce qui est largement ufisant, mais ensuite.
Comment piloter le track 2 du rytm et le 8 du DT, avec un moog…

J’ai posé la question à un revendeur et il n’a pas su me répondre.

Moi, j’ai bien une solution, le squarp Pyramid que j’ai eu dans le passé, et ses 64 Tracks, mais j’aurais préféré partir d’Elektron et notamment de l’octatrack.

Je pense que l’essentiel du sujet est posé. Si vous avez des pistes, des recommandations de configuration, de matériels… je suis plus que preneur puisque je suis en finalisation de montage de mon set up.

Merci à la communauté

David D.

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OK. Sorry. In English.

Good evening, I have been a DJ and producer for many abbots and after having gone through set ups of all kinds, I made the decision to make myself a set up whose heart is Elektron and to keep around this core of ibnstrumenys which was dear to me.

This set up essentially revolves around three brands.

Elektron therefore, of which I have all the machines.

Moog: DFAM, MOTHER 32, Subharmonicon, patching to a grandmother.

And ERica Synth; to introduce a little surprise into all of this and some radicalism.

I have a lot of pedals, Strymon, Erica Synth, Elektron Analog heatbet a box of fx DJ master and sound.

AND a Novation Peak, an AS-1 and a Microfreak.

So many people, piloting outside of each machine with a keystep (apart from my DJ set up which fits directly on an A&H ZED 428).

And a lot of people mean a lot of midi channel, a priori 52. How do I manage all that. I just saw that Kenton had just released a 25, which is largely useful, but then.
How to control the track 2 of the rytm and the "of the DT, with a moog …

I asked the question to a reseller and he could not answer me.

Me, I have a solution, the Pyeramid squarp rt its 64 Tracks, but I would have preferred to start from lektron and in particular from octrack.

I think that the essence of the subject is posed. If you have any leads, recommendations for configurayio, materials … I am more than a taker, I am in the process of finalizing my set up.

Merco to the community

David D.

#2

Je suis desolais … English only, on Elektronauts use a translator please otherwise we can’t moderate or follow. Thanks

https://www.elektronauts.com/guidelines

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#3

I dont understand how you calculate 52 midi channels. You haven’t listed 52 instruments.

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#4

OK. Sorry. In English.

Good evening, I have been a DJ and producer for many abbots and after having gone through set ups of all kinds, I made the decision to make myself a set up whose heart is Elektron and to keep around this core of ibnstrumenys which was dear to me.

This set up essentially revolves around three brands.

Elektron therefore, of which I have all the machines.

Moog: DFAM, MOTHER 32, Subharmonicon, patching to a grandmother.

And ERica Synth; to introduce a little surprise into all of this and some radicalism.

I have a lot of pedals, Strymon, Erica Synth, Elektron Analog heatbet a box of fx DJ master and sound.

AND a Novation Peak, an AS-1 and a Microfreak.

So many people, piloting outside of each machine with a keystep (apart from my DJ set up which fits directly on an A&H ZED 428).

And a lot of people mean a lot of midi channel, a priori 52. How do I manage all that. I just saw that Kenton had just released a 25, which is largely useful, but then.
How to control the track 2 of the rytm and the "of the DT, with a moog …

I asked the question to a reseller and he could not answer me.

Me, I have a solution, the Pyeramid squarp rt its 64 Tracks, but I would have preferred to start from lektron and in particular from octrack.

I think that the essence of the subject is posed. If you have any leads, recommendations for configurayio, materials … I am more than a taker, I am in the process of finalizing my set up.

Merco to the community

David D.Good evening, I have been a DJ and producer for many abbots and after having gone through set ups of all kinds, I made the decision to make myself a set up whose heart is Elektron and to keep around this core of ibnstrumenys which was dear to me.

This set up essentially revolves around three brands.

Elektron therefore, of which I have all the machines.

Moog: DFAM, MOTHER 32, Subharmonicon, patching to a grandmother.

And ERica Synth; to introduce a little surprise into all of this and some radicalism.

I have a lot of pedals, Strymon, Erica Synth, Elektron Analog heatbet a box of fx DJ master and sound.

AND a Novation Peak, an AS-1 and a Microfreak.

So many people, piloting outside of each machine with a keystep (apart from my DJ set up which fits directly on an A&H ZED 428).

And a lot of people mean a lot of midi channel, a priori 52. How do I manage all that. I just saw that Kenton had just released a 25, which is largely useful, but then.
How to control the track 2 of the rytm and the "of the DT, with a moog …

I asked the question to a reseller and he could not answer me.

Me, I have a solution, the Pyeramid squarp rt its 64 Tracks, but I would have preferred to start from lektron and in particular from octrack.

I think that the essence of the subject is posed. If you have any leads, recommendations for configurayio, materials … I am more than a taker, I am in the process of finalizing my set up.

Merco to the community

David D.

And i speak about channel / tracks like Digitakt, you have 8. When you cotol with a contrroler, it’s 8 parts.

#5

i don’t understand. i write in english but it’s appears in french. Can we erase all and make first in english.

#6

it’s ok on my ipad. sorry

#7

We still dont understand what your question is.
Sounds like you have a lot of gear, but no idea how to use it?
What result do you want to achieve?

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#8

I could understand the French better than the English from Google Translate but maybe that’s just me.

#9

Dear David D: If you could tell us which machines you wish to connect at one time, we may be able to help you. If you wish all of them to be connected at once so that you may use a selected few machines at a time without changing cables, the solution will probably be much more complicated and expensive. Do you wish to use all of them at once? That is probably unlikely, but if so, please tell us.

#10

I’ve been making music for 25 years, it’s my job. as a DJ in France, England, Spain. Your thinking is not very pleasant. Only, I discovered the Elektron brand and the large number of midi channel / tracks per instrument. A keytep for example has 16 parts. So you take a DT and an octatrack and that makes 16 tracks you no longer have a slot to sequence. Are we in agreement ? Study 2 min the squarp pyrmid sequencer and its 4 banks of 16 tracks, and you have 64 tracks.

a digitone on a miter keyboard, you need 4 tracks for the 4 synths, like the A4. This is my question.

#11

I dont mean any offence. Be careful not to get lost in translation.

Your question simply doesnt make sence.

The midi protocol is limited to 16 channels.

Study ‘Auto Channel’ and ‘active track’ for devices that have more than 1 part/track. There in lies your answer.

Example: I send midi notes to my digitone using auto channel 11. I select an active track using buttons on the digitone. So I can sequence all 4 voices.
This only requires one midi channel.

I use the same auto channel to send midi through my octatrack to synths and drum machines. Again, selecting active track on the Octatrack makes the connection between midi keyboard/controller and synths.

Auto Channel, active track.

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#12

It’s very very clear. So you use thé contrôler / keyboard for thé note, the arpège ( i don’t no in english), scalpe, but you wormienne on the machine for thé organisation âne thé placement or thé séquence. That’s it ?

#13

You work on thé machine

#14

Yes, typicall, you use the controller to put in the notes into Octatrack, Digitakt etc. (Autochannel works well) and then continue to work in the Octatrack, Digitakt etc.

One machine is always limited to 16 midi channels on one port anyway.

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#15

Ok, but on thé pyramid square séquencer, you have 64 part, so all your project without touch something. But it’s clear. Trank you, it was m’y frits ticket here âne my english ils so bad.

For thé octatrack, it’s very important âne i understand the Logic of loop ….

#16

Octatrack has 16 banks in a project. Each bank has 4 parts (parts can have different samples, different midi channels, in general different settings). 16 patterns (note data, sample triggers, automation etc.) in a bank. Each pattern has 8 sample tracks and 8 midi tracks, 64 steps (longer patterns can be programmed by using tempo multipliers and/or trig conditions).

So 256 patterns per project, basically as many projects as you want. Switching project takes a second or two, though.

If you are looking mainly for a midi sequencer maybe check out the Sequentix Cirklon?
Octatrack can be sequencer, sampler, mixer, effects processor, controller and any combination of those.

Btw heres a comparison of OT and Pyramid:

This thread might also help you:

#17

Dear David D: There are a number of French speakers active here but all forum posts should be in English except for the thread 👥 [FR] Le Bistrot Francophone Intersidéral which I think is not specifically about music. If you post there, you may find some French speakers willing to help you privately, who might not see your question otherwise. I have the feeling this will be quicker than for monolingual English speakers to help you here.

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#18

Many of your instruments have their own internal sequencers. You can synchronize those sequencers so that they all play in time with the others. This does not require you to use any MIDI channels.

The Octatrack and Digitakt each have 8 MIDI tracks for sequencing other instruments. With just these two Elektron instruments, you can sequence your other instruments that do not have internal sequencers.

The Pyramid is unnecessary for you. Even though it has 64 tracks, it only has 2 MIDI outputs so it would only give you 32 MIDI channels. And you do not need it, because you can use Elektron gear, as I previously described.

I recommend that you do not buy any more equipment until you have learned to use your existing instruments.

I suggest that you begin by choosing just two instruments and learning to connect those using MIDI. Later, you can expand your setup to three, four, then more instruments.

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#19

It will also help making yourself understood if you disable autocorrect on the device that you re posting with here.

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#20

I love you. I make music I love you. I have been making music for 20 years. I do midi maping for controller. I do live in rooms of nearly 10 people. But I had never used Elektron before, that’s all I played on Moog, Korg, Erica, Dave Smith, Pulsar, Dreadbox, novtion, Arturia, Nord, … It’s iediot like reflection.v

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