Its upsetting to come to a music forum and read legal ees rubbish tbh!!!
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Maybe some kind of group action would be the way to go? I think it can be argued that advertised functionality provided by OB is part of of the price of OB enabled devices. Elektron boxes aren’t exactly cheap so customers should expect to get what they pay for.
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The argument can be made depending on when the device was bought.
If you bought the dt early on when overbridge premium was a thing, features like the multitrack audio streaming, the 2in/2out audio interface, & daw integration were part of overbridge premium and thus not included in the price of the product. As there was an expected additional price for these features.
If you bought in after overbridge was made entirely free I can see where the advertising is misleading.
The individual I was responding to says they bought in last spring. This is still When overbridge premium was a thing. And thus those feature were never paid for by that individual, as no one ever paid for overbridge premium.
Even before OB Premium was removed out of the equation, functionality provided by Overbridge Basic was included in the price of the device (Sample manager/librarian functionality, MIDI over USB, Digitakt sequencer/DAW sync, Computer screen visualization of Digitakt parameters, time limited Audio streaming of Main outs over USB etc).
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Most of your list was premium stuff. Only 2 things were listed on the box for basic. Funny enough, at this point, midi over usb and sample management are available without overbridge.
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All of the things I mentioned belonging in Overbridge Basic were included originally in Overbridge Basic. What I listed was direct copy-paste from the original e-mail from Elektron about it back in March 2017. This mail was what many based their purchase decisions on.
The mail has been refererenced in this thread if you don’t have the original anymore (I do): Overbridge Premium?
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Such a fail for Elektron. Two of my friends have sold their Digitakt (and don’t want to hear from them anymore…) 
I’m in Goteborg. Will walk to Elektron HQ to see if there are bugs flying around…
I’m on my way back from Iceland and Norway, saw a lot of trolls there. They were pretty harmless 
Note: trolls are part of some countries believes…
I posted several features that Digitakt was sold with since the beginning. Specifically these are:
Overbridge Basic Highlights
Sample manager/librarian functionality
MIDI over USB
Digitakt sequencer/DAW sync
Computer screen visualization of Digitakt parameters
Audio streaming of Main outs over USB (time limited sessions)
Quite good argument could be made that people paid for these features. Of course later buyers could expect even more features since OB Premium features were later advertised as part of Digitakt too.
That might be for the best, if you are not willing to change your opinion even when the facts are against you.
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Interacting with you is a waste of time and energy. As Much as my opinions isn’t going to be changed, the same could be said for yours.
We will continue to disagree. As I see the facts entirely against you, just as you see them against me. Your trolling is getting boring. Produce a receipt for your overbridge payment, then you can clearly say you paid for overbridge. Legally no one cares if you theoretically pay for something.
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I don’t see my posts as “trolling” unless critical point of view of how Overbridge situation has been handled is trolling in this forum. I think you are trolling yourself when you deny facts - like the fact that Digitakt has been advertised from the start with having Overbridge as a feature - both free and premium (and later only free).
I also don’t think that I would need a separate receipt for Overbridge to be able to expect to have Overbridge functionality. If I have a receipt for a product that is advertised to include Overbridge, that should be enough, don’t you think?
I hope you do agree that Digitakt and MK2 series were (and still are) advertised with having Overbridge functionality?
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My point was that the argument can be made that overbridge has and always will be a separate product. One that no one has actually paid for and no one has any sort of paperwork stating otherwise. Overbridge enabled =/= overbridge included. I personally see the overbridge list on the back of the dt as an advertisement for an additional product. I don’t get seeing this or any related overbridge adverts as anything more than pushing a second product on the userbase. Sorry if you are refusing to see that point of view.
I’ve evaluated your point of view that you in theory paid for overbridge but I’m not finding anything you present convincing in that aspect.
I see your post as trolling as they attempt to pull away from the point being made by the person you are responding to, in an attempt for you to be right. Rarely do you seem to fully read anyone’s response, and you selectively quote and answer in such. You also seem to contribute noting positive to the community. But hey just my point of view and I could be wrong.
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That’s semantics, not sure how you can even argue this one. For all intents and purposes, Overbridge enabled means that Overbridge functionality is included.
I always read posts fully, but many times most of the post is not worth commenting on.
I think it makes the thread easier to read if people don’t quote complete posts but rather the part that captures what the person has to say (you can always scroll up and read the complete post). I don’t “selectively” quote to make it seem the person says something he didn’t say even though you seem to suggest that I do.
Yeah, well when you lose money because Elektron can’t keep its promises, you tend to become a bit negative. I have been member of this forum (and the one preceding it) for a while and it has not always been like this with Elektron.
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RWhen legality in advertising is being examined, semantics is what it ultimately comes down too.
Edit: additionally from my perspective it’s not semantics. When I bought my dt overbridge premium was a thing. Meaning all the “features” of overbridge were tied to me purchasing an additional product, a license for overbridge premium. As there was an expected additional cost for me, the purchasing of another product, I’ve never seen overbridge enabled the same as overbridge included.
I’ve been around for a long time across this and the eu forum as well. I know elektron and the forums have changed quite a bit. It’s dissapointing for sure. But how we choose to interact with others here is still a choice. I believe elektron disappointing you shouldn’t need to equal negativity spread to this community. As they are two separate entities.
What the hell @lemons can´t you just open a private discussion where you can repeat the SAME arguments that were presented like a year ago over and over again? Overbridge is not ready yet and Elektron is busy fixing it. They make statements if something happens (like the beta phase or OS updates) and will release the WHOLE overbridge suite when it´s done. Since you stated several times that you are DONE with Elektron and sold everything I really don´t understand where you take all the energy to complain from.
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Well… he isn’t the only one repeating him self. The apologists must share the blame. I think both camps should let it go now… Things are finally moving forward with OB. This is great but people are understandably pissed and will be until it’s finished and beyond. I will certainly think twice before ordering any new products from Elektron in the future. Analog Rythm is still my favorite drum machine though.
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The whole reason people are so angry is because Elektrons products kick so butt.
Rytm is #1.
When overbridge drops, and rytm gets inside the daw again (ive upgraded for the dual vco, and cant go back now :P)…Mmm, saftige saker, as we say in Norway.
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I don’t understand the need to call individuals apologist or attempt to be insulting because they don’t agree with certain viewpoints or share the same vitriol as some here. Especially when no one is defending elektron. Elektron has dropped the ball hard here.
As I stated earlier, I share the sentiment that I don’t understand the nonsense starting up again when overbridge is actually moving forward. Some people need the negativity I guess.
If someone posts a comment and I feel like replying to it, I do so with my point of view.
If Elektron communicated more towards community, maybe there would be more to discuss.
Where have I stated this? I don’t recall doing it even once and I would certainly not be DONE with Elektron, if they get their act together. 
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