Overbridge 2.7.3 and Mac OS Sonoma 14.2.1 issues? Anyone else?

[SohoSix]

Anyone else having problems…?

Over the last couple of weeks end of Dec 2023…
I’ve been setting up a new macbook M3 and at first, all was ok.
Overbridge was working great.
I can’t remember which version of Mac OS Sonoma that was.
At some point I must’ve updated Sonoma.

Now, with OB 2.7.3 and Sonoma 14.2.1 I can’t see Syntakt or Digitone in my Overbridge Engine, nor get them to come up in Ableton as a connected device, even though the plug-in is installed correctly. There’s no sync when Ableton transport stops/starts, which was my first clue something was off.

Hardware devices are set to Overbridge mode. Again, it worked fine about a week or so ago.

I’m not 100% sure I’m doing something dumb, but I’m pretty sure that I’ve covered my bases.

USB seems fine, as I can use Transfer ok to see each device - if I want to update device OS

[SohoSix]

The OS is “seeing” sorta… I guess.
When I switch to non-overbridge mode is shows this:

But then, back to Overbridge mode… it’s nothing:

[shigginpit]

I saw this recently, I think this is a thing.

Overbridge not detecting devices on Sonoma

I’ve tried both 2.7.1 and 2.7.3 but can’t get Overbridge to recognise my devices. The engine window remains empty when any Digi boxes are connected. Just checking if anyone else has this problem? I’ve exhausted all options of what to check/try and as a last resort I’m asking here. Support couldn’t replicate it but if anyone else is having an issue, it will at least give them something to go on. Weirdly the uninstaller DOES detect devices in Overbridge mode, and throws up a warning to power the…

Of course, I didn’t know it at the time, but pretty sure I’ve seen this more than once since.

[djenzyme]

I have this same issue except it’s never worked on Sonoma at all for me. Support couldn’t replicate it on the same machine, mini m1.

[SohoSix]

So strange… thanks for the immediate replies here.
It was working fine upon first set up for my M3 Mac.
Long story short, I made a time machine image and returned the MBP and bought another one with different specs… and re-imaged. So, I’m going through the paces all over again - to some degree, and now this is an issue

[shigginpit]

I wonder what the phantom component is that made the difference? That almost makes it sound like a hardware conflict although I can’t imagine why.

That is, if the MBP was running the same version of Sonoma. I’m not a mac person, but they use drivers like windows right? Is there a way you can use your time machine image to see if there is a different driver on something currently (now vs the backup)?

[djenzyme]

There’s an article on the Elektron website, referring to specific ports in the OS, that mustn’t be used by anything else. This is the only thing I haven’t looked into but I suspect could be the culprit.

Overbridge - Elektron device connection problems

Edit: I put Resident Evil Village on my Mac at the start of November and that’s literally the only unusual thing apart from a bunch of music/audio apps. I’ve Never put a game on a Mac before so I’m going under the assumption it’s something to do with that.

[SohoSix]

ok… digging into this stuff…
Thanks all.
Not sure about Time Machine differences.
I have a feeling it’s migration related - as the first go was all clean installed.
I have reinstalled OB today, but still no luck.

My MOTU Ultralite had me uncheck something in start up menu, that I may uncheck and try this all over again. I’ll have to reboot and run safe mode to turn that off/on.
Let’s see

[shigginpit]

Port 46000 needs to be free for Overbridge Engine to be able to communicate with your computer. Also, each Elektron device that you use in Overbridge must be able to use port 460n0, 460n1, and 460n2, where n is the device that you have added.

This sounds unnecessarily complicated. This only impacts Mac computers, is that what they’re implying?

@SohoSix

I’ll have to reboot and run safe mode to turn that off/on.
Let’s see

Best luck, keep it updated. I guarantee someone will search this and find the topic helpful if you get it resolved.

[djenzyme]

Yes I think that info only applies to macOS.

[SohoSix]

Just an update… Still nothing promising.
I’ve read through items posted above (thank you) and still no luck.
Ports and stuff seem fine.
I ended up reinstalling Mac OS Sonoma 14.2.1 and then uninstalling, restarting, installing OB 2.7.3 all over again at least 3 or 4 times.
Still nothing.

From this thread, I was guided to double check if the extension was getting disabled. It’s not… But it was to read through these posts:

Overbridge 2.0.37: tech discussion

I was having some Catalina issues, with the Overbridge Engine not recognising my Analog Heat at all. Uninstall/Reset/Reinstall/Reset didn’t fix anything (tried that a few times) and I double checked all of the settings on the Heat, so I thought it might be the USB cable. After a bit of head scratching, I figured out that the Overbridge driver had been added to a ‘Disabled Software’ list at some point during the beta, or an OS update or something. If anybody’s stuck with a similar issue, you ca…

So, I opened a ticket with Elektron. Let’s see what comes from it

[shigginpit]

Do you have a legacy version of overbridge that you can install? Anything a few versions prior, where you can test to see if it’s specifically 2.7.3 which is the issue?

[djenzyme]

I’m seeing this same issue from 2.7.1 - 2.7.6, basically since the new drivers were introduced.

[SohoSix]

I don’t really have access to any other OB builds…
Is 2.7.6 available somewhere?
Did they roll it back to 2.7.3 officially?

[djenzyme]

My bad, I’m getting confused. 2.7.3 is the current release version.

[SohoSix]

@djenzyme @shigginpit
Y’all… holy moly… It’s fixed!!

Here’s the lowdown:
Patrik at Elektron Support had me dig into viewing my extensions list via Terminal using:
systemextensionsctl list

Sure enough, there it was. It was the only extension listed:

He asked if visible in Terminal for me to reset it… with:
systemextensionsctl reset
But… Mac OS didn’t like that due to “System Integrity Protection (SIP)”.

So, as a check… I uninstalled Overbridge again via the Elektron uninstaller.
Even though the messages in the OS made it appear it was deleted/removed, not the case. A simple systemextensionsctl list check in Terminal still showed it there.

So… to the Google!
I found this from Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/142cv0n/how_to_remove_stubborn_systemextensions_not/

It’s written for Mac Intel, but for Apple Silicon the difference is mainly how you access Recovery Mode, which is “hold down power button until is says booting in Recovery/Safe Mode (or whatever they call it)”.
1.
Once Recovery Mode loads you click on Options and then Continue.
Once that page loads, click on the top bar for Utilities > Terminal.
You can then follow the Reddit directions to turn off SIP:
csrutil disable
Reboot again - back to regular mode.

2
In Terminal, find your list again:
systemextensionsctl list
Then zap that sucker… In my case:
systemextensionsctl uninstall KS6W2DLCW9 se.elektron.overbridge.driverkit.driver

POW!

3
Go to :
/Library/SystemExtensions
and find a folder with random numbers and letters.
Mine was “7AFA52F0-E4F2-4B4F-BF2B-23CE34030565”.
Inside you’ll see the driver. Send the whole folder to the trash bin.

4
Reboot again to Recovery/Safe mode.
Get back to the Terminal like you did before and re-enable SIP
csrutil enable

5
Reboot again to normal mode.
Install Overbridge from Elektron Installer.
All worked textbook perfect down to the “You must Allow this extension” notification, which I did… and it now works 100%

Yay Elektron Support!
Yay Reddit nerds!
Yay Music!

[shigginpit]

Dude, that’s intense! Crazy hoops to jump through but that’s so awesome man! Really glad you were able to get that worked out. In under a week no less! (ok maybe 8 days, but still less than a "business week)

[SohoSix]

No doubt. I was pissed this weekend, when I had to record my newest beat thing using the caveman way via audio cables! How dare I!?!?
But in the back of mind, I knew it wasn’t forever - just be patient…
and sure enough, the universe provided

[shigginpit]

your newest beat thang

awesome stuff though man, and I bet this will absolutely help someone in the future, as it sounds like this could be a problem for more than just you.

[SohoSix]

LOL… I’m so happy, I don’t know what I’m even saying… LOL. Beat thang!

Yeah, maybe it will help out @djenzyme! I hope so!
or anyone else in the future.
I just sent my updates to Elektron as well