Machines overlap

I am sure someone else asked this but I just cant find it.
On Syntrakt, are the following machines the same as on other instruments - mainly AR?

  • all 3 analogue tracks and all machines there - look the same, parameters just have different visuals
  • dual vco - is it the same set of shapes for oscillators (sine, saw, skewed sine) with fm and ring mod?
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I think the chord one is straight from cycles. Although there’s a wavetable scan, that’s not present in cycles. So yes and no…

Isn’t sweep on the m:c chord machine the wavetable scan parameter ? What’s on the syntakt that adds to that ?

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I think dual VCO looks the same. But I believe that the analog machines are slightly improved from AR. So although they have the same parameters and probably a very similar sound, I think they are not the same. How exactly they have changed I have no idea.

@AdamJay was saying that the dvco is tracking better

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The Modern Kick sounds very similar, if not the same, as the Cycles kick, same with the the basic Snare, Carbon, Alloy, Tone, and Chord.

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The six machines from Cycles are on Syntakt, main difference is the overdrive (+ you have two filters and a controllable amp envelope). Besides that, we made 4 new machines (sd vintage, cp vintage, sy bits, sy toy).
The analog machines are all from rytm, however there are differences in the circuit design and the FW implementation, so it is not identical.

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Correct.
Maybe new waveforms?

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Actually, having listened to loopop’s vid again, I think you’re right. Doesn’t sound like the m:c’s sweep ?

Awesome job on this! Based on the demos it appears like the pitch envelops of the analog machines are improved? Hoping this is the firmware improvement you mentioned. Do you think some of these firmware improvements will be coming to Rytm in an update?

The dvco tracks significantly better than the rytm mk2 I had. Really enamored with the dvco in the syntakt. It sounds incredible.

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To be honest, I don’t know… We have just tried to make Syntakt as good as we possible could…
Firmware and hardware goes “hand in hand” in these products, that’s where the differences comes from.

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Probably the same answer as above but any chance we may see the new digital machines on the Cycles? That would be a nice gift

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Speaking on hardware, any idea what kind of ram memory this unit has?

not a lot :rofl:

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Yeah, I can’t really say anything about that, sorry! :slightly_smiling_face:

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I keep seeing ppl asking for UW machines but I was guessing it’s probably not on the roadmap and your answer mostly confirms my suspicion.

I guess that probably means the wishes for a sample playback machine will not be fulfilled.

Stupid question but maybe an option for the future - if Syntakt and Model:Cycles share the same machines and obviously the same sequencer, would it be technically possible for the Syntakt to load the Cycles’ patterns?

I already did a sysex backup before I sold it, just in case… :sweat_smile:

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I might be wrong here, but even if the basic code behind the engines is the same (the sound generation part), M:C and ST seem to send different parameters in, as there are more/less/different options to change on both devices. And I tend to believe, that the Patches are stored as “Save the values of the macro-Knobs, the devices have” instead of "saving the core-parameters of the underlying synth-engine. Would be cool, if its different, but it would take up way more space to do so, instead of saving just a few macro-values.
On Top of that, they won’t sound the same, as everything behind the pure sound-generation is different (different Filter, different envelopes, different way how the sound is overdriven with the Volume+Dist knob).

I will get my Syntakt today, if nothing breaks the delivery car or its driver. We might be able to test that, if you would provide me (or anyone else with a Syntakt) one of your export-files.

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