Yeah but the Midi Association is probably one of the slowest moving institutions in the world. So Ableton being even slower than the official new format is pretty slow. Steinberg have supported it for about a century allready
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Feels like something is on itās way regarding new Ableton Hardwareā¦ Push 2 prices just dropped significantly across shops. They are also looking for new 2 Supply Chain Managersā¦ Quote: āLead (ā¦) with supply chain relevance, such as setting up a hardware trade-in offer for Push customersā and āEstablish aggregated demand forecasts for our productsā. I might be wrong but 2 has been around for some time, no product presentation @ loop due to Covid this year and competitors are presenting a lot of new standalone beat production tools ā Iād say Ableton is up for something. 
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here we go
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Me, in the post Covid world, peering at The Abletons and Maschiners fightiing to the death on Gearslutz.
Looks like standalone of maybe just audio interface included, though why include the SD card if itās just an interface.
edit: Just shared this there, let the battle begin 
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I builtin audiointerface would be great, carrying that around is no fun and involved with a lot of cables. But a standalone Push makes NO SENSE at all, I really hope that Ableton doesnĀ“t get their hands dirty with this. A standalone version would only work with a very basic and stripped down version of Ableton. Maybe Drum Rack, Sampler and their onboard synths. But Ableton is so much more and all of that could never be done without a computer. I say that both from the workflow and CPU power.
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This doesnāt smell as being a legit leak. Just look at the quality of the image, is this anything like what might come from a product development team. It isnāt even in the category of believable to me. Plus read all the qualifiers ask.audio puts around this, they donāt believe itās legit either.
Ableton is certainly capable of doing a standalone controller, and they might well have a prototype in the works. It almost certainly has been discussed in a design meeting there. But Ableton is also a lot more capable of doing a leak ā and this aināt it.
ADDED: Ableton has given official notice ā THIS IS A FAKE !
Big demerits to ask.audio, for giving this the light of day, when they knew it was false, and to the wanna be cozy-bear whoever that is, for constructing this disinformation in the first place.
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Audio ins look too close to the top to be real. Could be wrong.
So, kinda like Maschine+, then.
Canāt run nearly the variety of the companyās own instruments, definitely no third party stuff, might as well plug into the computer.
Still, iām interested you see what a Push 3 can do. Iād prefer the pads take up less real estate, if theyāre shooting for standalone.
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Yeah looks ropey to me too. The left edge just looks wrong!
But, a push with built in audio interface would tick a box for me. Donāt care about standalone personally. lm a little surprised we havenāt seen Ableton roll out a push 2 with audio I/O to sit alongside the current model already to be honest. Run with both to give users the option.
As macs are moving to ARM cpuās I would like ableton to wait for ARM Ableton to be ready before releasing a standalone unit. Maybe an ARM based Push 3 standalone could run on batteries, something maschine + can not do. Give it midi and cv outs and I am totally inā¦
bad at photoshop? put a noise filter over the whole image!
midi ports and volume knob are lifted from the machine mk3 image, pasted onto a rejigged Push 2 image.
after copy-pasting these bits onto the image:
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Well done, @garf! 
You will be rewarded with one sizzling sausage for your efforts.
Those MIDI ports were definitely lazily pasted. Itās much more clear now.
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hehā¦ the ports were also stretched a bit - theyāre oval.
dude doesnt know the shift key while resizing 
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Wait , didnāt Adobe change it?
You donāt have to use shift now, maybe that was the issue. They used the 2020 version like it was 2019.
Hopefully actual Push 3 is way cooler.
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What a relief! My wish for Push 3 is a version with 2 rows of displays and 16 knobs and without the pads.
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I desperately want hard clicks buttons like on NI hardware over the squishy buttons on the Push 2.
Personally Iād prefer 4-6 rows of pads(Preferably 4) over the 8 Just to bring the sound design capabilities closer to me/hardware sound design specific unit without the pads.
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I wouldnāt be too stoked with a stand-alone Push 3 tbh, would rather a different kind of controller to go along my Push 2 and further developments in Live 10.
Live 10 is only on version 1.18 so I feel like thereās a lot of room for it to grow. 9.5 was huge and came with the release of Push 2 so maybe over the next year or two we will see a major point update with hardware.
Pipedream: With MPE struggling to get out of its toddler stage, Ableton still not supporting it and Roli shitting the bed, I think there is a real opportunity for them to bring a great piece of proprietary MPE hardware to the market along with support as part of a major point update. But that might be too keen of me. Excited for their future regardless, Live has never been smoother for me.
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The possibility of what Push 3 could be really excites me. Ableton has had a long time to produce it. Relative to Push 1, 2 was quite a quick revision and really slicked up the first release.
They have so much nailed and refined already in Push 2, from the graphics, to the workflow. So much headway already achieved.
A 3 would certainly be a refinement, I wonder if being in Ableton world where everything is in banks of 8, if it were to have I/O then would 8 ins make sense?
The thing is for a while Push really focused on Sampling, sampling workflow, sampling culture. But the thing canāt sample.
This background context I think will determine a lot - if itās a sampling machine, maybe two ins is fine, hot jack as needed. If itās more of a studio tool - then a more elaborate audio interface would make sense.
But like the new M+, I dunno how much sense a standalone tool makes without a battery.
Another route is being more of a portable Ableton Effects and Instrument beast. More of a virtual context. In this case 2 or 4 ins.
I would LOVE a portable, backpackable, battery powered, 16 pads Push with onboard Ableton fx and instruments. Heck Iād say the outs are more important than the Ins. Give us 6 outs - main, cue and fx send.
Jam your life away on your sweet vacation or sabbatical, come back home and plug it into Live, and every session is ready to mix and produce.
Ahhhā¦ one can dream.
ps: I would love the menu buttons to be more of tap - capacitive touch style weight. Just light to the touch. Move quickly
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Two things I really hope they fix with Push 3:
- Clicky buttons, not squishy - Elektron style would be best
- Instant visual feedback! The latency on the display is annoyingly long
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Heck yes, my brother! Clicky Button Team!
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