What Digitakt2 can do but Tonverk cannot?

Still not able to choose between DT2 and TV.

Somehow there’s a lot of youtube showing how much fun people have with sampling and samples on DT2 and at the same time there is so much focus on TV being ‘sampling synthesizer’ so to sample other synths just to play it with polyphony…

So the question - what can you do with DT2 that you cannot do with TV?
Are there any use-cases or specific workflows that make TV bad at it?

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The big one you’ll see in multiple threads here is support for loop-based sampling: chopping, time stretch, precise* live loop capture, and so on. If the developers can add those, that will put the Tonverk on so many wish lists over other Elektron devices.

The risk is that Elektron don’t go there for fear of affecting DT2 sales. I’m sure they would prefer it if we bought both!

  • e.g. capture exactly two bars of the mix for further processing
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Elektron could raise the price of the TV. This would be justified to a certain extent if the TV had some of the DT2’s unique features. This would also help distinguish the TV from the DT2.

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I’d say if it’s for primarily drums, DT2. Primarily for synths, TV. Just one box, TV.

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Simpler / faster workflow on DT2.
TV main strength is polyphony, polyphonic overdub, different machines…

I’m hoping for slices !
(Keytracking, Velocity mod…)

TV can do it, up to 16 bars.
IIRC DT2 has the same recording options, maybe 8 bars max ?
Both have R.START > PLAY to quantize recording start.

Or lower the price of the DT2 ? :content:

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Shut up :laughing:
Raise the price, hold on a minute
(i haven’t scooped one up yet!)

i foresee a future where features will be interchangeable like modules added through a transfer like hub. Dependent on the piece of gear and it’s technical specs.

I personally didn’t like the loading time when i first tried out the TV
but having the option of and SD is nice. Still missing the nice ninja fader though.

Technically speaking it would be possible to have a modular OS and custom choosing of FX features to fit any gear within limitations of the hardware provided. Like a frankenstein, or combining of several small robots to become one badass monster!

I’m still hoping for an update and some FX from the TV to make it over onto the DT2 after desired target sales are met, and focus will be on updating the other older devices and future new prototypes

( @elektron )

Cheers !

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This comparison thread should answer a lot of questions → LINK

Also EZBOT did a comparison video recently → LINK

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TV is probably the best sample-based drum machine that ever existed.

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Can you elaborate?

What makes it better drum machine that DT2?

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Yep, but if I wanted just a drum machine, I’d spend less and get a DT.

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Don’t tell that to the people who spend €2700 on a TR-1000. :grinning:

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It’s nice to have the 16 larger sequencer buttons on the DT2 for easy muting unmuting of multiple tracks.

Could have a similar UI to this on the Tonverk in mute mode with one subtrack open and 7 other tracks. But have been finding the p locks on the subtracks a bit buggy.

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Couldn‘t agree more!
Its sooo good and I use it for drums only.

If you can only get one I would go for TV any day.

Also, timestretching on DT is really bad

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Multisampled, velocity sensitive, round robin kits.

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Sure.
But what with other kind of samples (not drums or synth sounds). What really attracts me to DT2 is something like we can hear here:

From Jazz to HOUSE // Chopping up samples by RickyTinez

Can you do same (easily) with TV that kind of magic?

If not, is there anything else that DT2 can and TV cannot?

I’ve seen the “DTII = Drums, Tonverk = Tones” point a lot but this doesn’t ring true based on the end results I’ve heard from both machines.

True, DTII is better for drums/loops and Tonverk is inherently better for tones via having polyphony, but it’s clear that both devices are still overall good at both.

Just pointing this out in the context of someone trying to decide between the two, the differences are more granular than just “do you want a rhythm box or a melodic box”?

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Yep, agree. I suppose it depends on what other gear is about. For standalone, I’d go for TV - the FX and busses take the machine a loooong way.

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You can do this sort of slicing by loading the same sample onto all 8 subtracks then setting start end points and putting all subtracks on the same choke group. It depends on what your threshold for ‘easy enough’ is though.

Describing your musical background and goals a bit more might help otherwise these discussions always end up just comparing feature sets without real context.

Not much else to add besides the fact that my DT2 has sat in storage since I got the TV.

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If I recall, they actually dropped it about a couple hundred Euro after launch.

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