You can get very close but not 100% and the workflow isn’t as fast. But tonverk gives you many things digitakt cannot.
For an all in one box TV is most flexible.
If they add track relations/layering to digitakt then I think the gap narrows a bit since digitakt can load wavetable where lfo can scan through and track layering would allow multi oscillator mono synth on DT.
But for now it’s TV imo since there is timestretch workaround with grainer and slice workaround on subtracks.
They both have limitations. Mostly it’s frustrating that tonverk is not a fully unlocked sampler at the price they are asking it’s stupid.
400 dollar samplers have timestretch and auto slice…
Have you ever owned another sampler , like Akai , mpc and emu ? If yes be aware digitakt and octatrack are monophonic samplers ( only one note per tracks , you can sample chord or play different notes on several tracks as workaround , but each sample cut the previous sample on the same track ).
Coming from akai s950 and emus I got really bored of these monophonic samplers , even with loops it’s a pita where the effect tails or synth release envelope is cutted.
I find tonverk is an excellent take on elektron sampler but with polyphony. I sold the digitakt after 2 months having the tonverk. Boring machine and everything it does it doesn’t do very well. Tonverk sound way better in term of audio quality too
For me the biggest difference is the lack of FXs (and FX routing) on DT2. It limits sound design a lot specially for tonal content, maybe that’s why people say it’s a better Drum Machine, it focus more on rhythm via the sequencer instead of sound design.
DT2 shines when loaded with the right samples, whereas on TV you can start with very simple sounds and go crazy with FX routing and p-locking.
I have both and really miss the sample mangling options that is on DT2 but missing from TV.
I really really love playing around with a combo of time stretch, werp and grid machine. Alot of people I see online seem to hate Werp and Time Stretch but i find you get such unique sounds out of them, I love the artefacts and clicks they often add.
That aside, even if TV added all the DT machines I still don’t think I’d sell mine as it’s such a solid streamlined device that does what it does very well imo.
Yeah… This is what I’m afraid a little bit - TV sounds like a sample player rather then sample mangler
Of course it has great FX and so on but … still it is not a full replacement for DT2 when FX and polyphony is not your main concern.
I’d say take another look at the TV. The Grainer machine, number and types of FX, and bus routing on the TV can take samples far beyond what’s possible with the DT2.
DT2 is amazing. One thing the DT can do that the TV can’t at the moment, is load samples to banks. The TV has banks samples can be loaded into, but you can’t take whole folders of samples and specify which bank they should go to, yet. It’s a simple thing the DT2 can do. For me, it’s great for organization and some other cool LFO to Sample Slot tricks I like to do…
Also. Im just curious when people talk about one device hurting sales of another device.
As time goes on, do sales of a particular machine stay steady/constant?
My thinking is, it’d be one thing to release both machines in the same time period that have similar features. But if the sales of DTs have slowed down or leveled off, realistically how many DTs are we talking about that wouldn’t be sold because someone chose a TV?
I didn’t know TV can’t do this, guess I just assumed it would! It’s easily my favorite thing to do on the DT2. Kicks on Bank A, Snares on Bank B, etc. Map LFO 3 on each track to sample slot and control-all on the depth to find something interesting
Last I checked, that option isn’t there yet on the TV when I’m loading samples. I say ‘yet’ because Elektron added the bank system to the TV so I imagine it’s just a matter of time…I imagine
Completely agree. I think the TV has a lot of features (polyphony, cross-fading loops, granular, better effects) people were hoping would come to the DT2.
Some other elements that may have been missed (I skimmed the responses).
Digitakt 2 has cntrl+all. This shouldn’t be overlooked. I find it invaluable for finding alternative feels for a pattern, and can sometimes spice up live jams as a fill.
(If unfamiliar, holding a key and changing a parameter will alter that parameter for all 16 tracks, so you can cause all the samples to shift their assignments, all the samples to be filter offset, everything to wash in delay, etc.)
You can also selectively remove tracks from cntrl+all assignment; after getting a pattern going I’ve been known to exclude a few core tracks (kick, melody, etc) and shift the sample assignments around to see what happy accidents might occur (worth adding I set up my Digitakt’s sample pool banks by type, so Bank A is all kicks, Bank B is all snares, etc – this allows for modulation of sample selection to be somewhat controlled).
Also, minor, but the Tonverk lacks midi presets right now. This means if you set up a bunch of CC assignments you cannot save those for future use. The Digitakt II allows for this.
Digitakt 2 has kits, and I see people wishing for the Tonverk to adapt the same system. I’m agnostic on that, so won’t dwell.
Obviously the loop oriented machines are a plus for the Digitakt 2.
Lastly, the retrig feels better on the Digitakt 2.
Native round robin on the DTii with cntrl+all would be super flexible and fun and still differentiate itself from TV. But hey look there’s a dead horse and I just so happen to have a sledge hammer in my hand.
Honestly I though that I will find a good companion for my DN2.
But in case of samplers (that cost a lot of money) thanks to Electron strange business model making me choose if I prefer more timestretch/slicing or FX/polyphony and multiple other X vs Y … I ended up buying Roland SP 404 mk2.
Thank you Elektron for making me NOT buying your product.
I think it´s about the difference in performing or using it as a studio sound design piece. I love the octatrack, but so much of it is aimed to performance and I don´t do that. I create and design. In this regard for me the octatrack is cool and all but a little too complex. The DT2 seems to be right in the middle and Tonverk seems to me mostly like a sound design studio piece.
