Seems to be the Modern way. Sort of want your own cake and eat it. Sadly it means manufacturers cant win as they are going to put things in that upset some people but please others.
unless you just want something to noodle with, features do play an important role in sight unseen decision making. knowing what you want a device to do and knowing if one fits into your existing gear horde becomes particularly important around the $900 price point.
you can probably count on your hands the number of people on this forum who will be within driving distance of a retailer who will have this available to demo in person, therefore demos displaying sounds and features become an important tool for determining how useful something will be to an individual.
where toxicity is introduced is in feature stacking not as a metric for personalizing your decisions but merely as a point of justifying your rejections. it’s possible to have an opinion without expressing it, but it’s also natural to find parallels to other instruments in the same target group so there is a natural inclination to do so.
people purchasing all kinds of instruments compare features when they shop, but it’s mostly on web forums that toxic rejection becomes mob mentality.
I was immediately able to determine that this instrument wasn’t for me, but nothing about it says to me that it’s unfit for someone else who is interested in what it has to offer. I think some people would, however, prefer to see discussion of features that exist and therefore can be quantified as the actual profile of an instrument they won’t be able to try before purchasing rather than being unsold on features that are missing.
I like gear too, I want to know about what it does and not what it doesn’t unless I’m specifically asking or it’s some kind of major oversight on the part of the manufacturer.
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I couldn’t agree more. Because sometimes, you only want something simple and inspiring that sounds really good and feel like an Instrument. In the feature pack category, I’m covered.
Edit : today, I’m going to swap a Meris LVX for a Vongon Polyphrase (I wasn’t aware of this pedal before knowing about the Replay). For sure, the LVX is way more feature packed than the Polyphrase but the Sound and the UI of the PP is really appealing to me.
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yeah same.
I have my Elektrons…ARP 2600…Buchla 208C… a decent bit of Eurorack…Majella Impexus…some Moog… a Lyra-8…I’ve features and sounds galore : yet weirdly this little thing has piqued my interest because it sounds terrific & looks like it does a couple of things very, very well. Like a set of cymbals. or a saxophone. In that regards, £900 may well offer good VFM…that depends on the individual
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Have you read the interview with Vongon? These things matter to me. I felt the same thing about Vermona years ago.
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I think it’s legitimate to compare features when looking at instruments - it’s a way of weighing up alternatives.
But the way we make decisions is partly rational, partly emotion based - some of.the language in this thread reflects how people feel about instruments, and that’s an important aspect.
I haven’t heard anything that special from the Vongon, and would want effects with it. It’s inspired in part by a Juno, so a chorus would be nice. Velociy.and aftertouch would be welcome to.
But this is about how people feel, and the totality of what’s on offer, rather than what’s missing and clearly some of us are vibing with this little synth.
If I was to buy it I’d need to sell my bagpipes. My neighbours have been through a lot and I’d hate to deprive them of the pipes.
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You’re right, crappy wasn’t fair. Limited is what it really is, and indeed if it’s a problem for me that’s not necessarily a problem for everyone else.
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I like you. You’re a cool dude!
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I’ve had both and vastly prefer the polyphrase. LVX is really nice and no fun (for me). Polyphrase is very fun and hands on.
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I am citing this because it made me laugh, then react…
But I’m talking to everyone that has been flagged here:
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Let’s be clear: numerous moderation actions to clean a thread that has been derailed is NOT censorship.
It’s not like you’re some political activist, get down off your high horses. You can actually freely express your frustration, moaning or whatever sterile but liberating gasp in this other part of the forum:
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You can make as many jokes as you want here
Music memes
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Please keep other threads as tidy as possible.
Derailing a thread and especially talking about flags is never a good thing.
Reach us @Mods if you have a problem with the flagging. Or see #1 if you really need to express your negative feelings to the community.
If you keep derailing a thread or talking about flags after we did some action, you’ll get silenced. Especially if I’ve drunk to much the day before. -
If you want to express some criticism, try to do it without hurting anyone’s feelings.
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If you really think a short off topic chat is needed, at least use the
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Sigh. This thread needs cleaning up as its not fair on the poor Vongon which is only going to appeal to a few anyway.
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If Replay was intended to have alternative firmwares I’d then find it more compelling.
A bit like noise engineering etc.
As it is, it is sort of a Yamaha Reface and locked forever to be just that. And that model has worked for Yamaha - my impression is that range have sold well and sound very good.
Perhaps the name Replay is a clue to this just being the first of other downloadable firmware timbres … perhaps not.
I’d be tempted here if this is a juno version of the firmware that (a) sounds very good (b) can be swapped for each of a Moog, Oberheim, Waldorf, Korg (etc) ‘homage’ in the future.
Lack of velocity and micro USB are stumbling blocks though.
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I could see updates for sure, I think they were just going for Juno inspired interface though, like a big sweet spot synth. Not really any specific “cloning” I could see them adding filter models or something though but I don’t think that would call for alternative firmware unless they already pushed it to the brink. Nice fuzzy SEM filter would probably peak people’s interest. Some alternate dirty digital waves. But yeah hard to say.
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Now we know there is no Secret menu.
Are we shaming people for buying synths now in this forum?
Indeed, they could pack a lot more into the companion app with more features, right now it just expands the “secret menu” functions. I would worry a little that it would just become another infinite rabbit hole of useless complexity though. A bit part of the appeal for me was the ‘bread and butter’ sound palette, and it would be a shame for the synth to lose its identity. When I have loaded alternate firmware onto my eurorack modules all it did was make the module more difficult to use with different functions being applied to labeled knobs.
The allure is that it has the mechanical keys similar to the elektron devices I enjoy using with a simple voice structure that I know sounds good as a raw ingredient. It’s also small but not annoying to use because they packed a billion tiny sliders and knobs.
Please remember, I spent years playing the digitone’s front panel as a keyboard. This is like a large synth by comparison. Heck I had korg minilogue XD module for the same reason and I played it with the sequencer buttons in keyboard mode because it was convenient (and then because I got used to it).
I’m a little surprised by the mockery here for this product. I guess I am just seeing a different side of the community than than I am used to. I shouldn’t have to defend buying a great-sounding cool-looking synth that costs about the same as a eurorack module.
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No one’s make you defend yourself. You like the product. That’s gravy.
I reserve the right to not get it. I also reserve the right to have a laugh
Edit: however gear detectives will be showing up for your interrogation at around 2 your time. I wouldn’t recommend blowing that meeting off
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I will be preparing a slide presentation of Dan McPharlin paper craft synthesizers and drafting a defence based on the merits of minimalist interface design. My legal counsel has advised that I serve tea and biscuits to the inquisitors, but I am worried that it may come off as a bribe. Wish me luck!
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I would never take tea and biscuits as a bribe, but I will take them with bourbon.
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I usually agree with the saying never judge a book by cover, but in this case it’s warranted.
If you honestly had no idea what this was, and had to guess a price most people would say 100, maybe 150?
They went under board on the aesthetic, if that’s even a saying. I just couldn’t get joy out of playing this while visually looking at it.
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Their marketing accomplished some things…I love all 3 of their pedals I’ve seen/heard so far and kinda want them