The end of AI music?

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Rooting for the latter.

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I think this is the very point.
and they want AI to wait on us hand and foot until our hands and feet fall off.
not only will it do everyone’s job, but dream for everyone, fulfill everyone’s desires even the artistic one’s… do you desire to write music, make music, and play music… why?.. let your AI do those things for you… why even be yourself when an Ai can be you for you.

all you have to do is go to sleep next to the pod they’ll take care of the rest

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I think you’re overestimating people.

Have you met them?

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I did preface it with “a functioning brain” :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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this is what I use AI for. I generate the template stems for drums, bass, synths and use as basis to help with mixing, editing and mastering my music. I prefer to write my own lyrics, sing with my own voice and create my own drum, bass and synth stems. Most time I use Izotope Ozone AI assistant to clean up bad audio and mastering.

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So the fallout of it is not going to be huge on a personal/individual level on a per track basis as cheap ai prompt music compounds the increasingly low shelf life of music. Nobody’s going to cling onto that one track, noone’s going to come after you for the track ai generated that is a ripoff of someone’s work, cost you $2 and net you 3c in royalties. It’s just gone one day.

I think the biggest risk is that stuff might get rug pulled en masse. That Suno or whatever.ai is going to have to recall a bunch of music people paid them good money to generate for them because of deals made with the devil. For an individual that probably won’t generate much income from this anyways the risk is mostly that your entire artistical identity is being recalled.

For a consumer your playlists are suddenly gone

This has always been a problem, just takes a new shape :sweat_smile: one that sucks hard.

It’s no longer ”just an if statement”, it’s a box of wires (we used to call it that at a former employment) that ”just needs to be plugged in”

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betamax

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Actually, that’s debatable. Pigeons were domesticated and taken care of. Now they are basically homeless and considered flying rats most places. Not that this bit of trivia has anything to do with the conversation at hand. :slight_smile:

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plus if any music takes off the people will want you to perform it live! If you cannot play the keyboards and guitar parts and sing, what then? Most of the real money is made touring not recording music. Or doing endorsements for products. One has to be able to play the music to do tours.

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there wasn’t any car industry for the general public until the model t though :thinking:

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Between internet and AI there were a bunch of things, all of which were hyped to be the next big thing but at the end of the day was a huge money sink. Crypto is one. .com bubble another

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yup and while I have a couple bucks in crypto as a novelty so that I can say I am a minor crypto investor as it is a hip thing to be, most of my investments are in solid large blue chip stocks. They can take hits too but long term do well.

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AI could be end up being a wonderful thing, if it learns enough to go against the systems and purpose it’s currently being designed for in regards to the arts…
but until then, it’ll be like giving don king superman’s powers :rofl:

as a species we’ll know when we are actually ready for it because we’ll be able to talk about it honestly, but again until then… we are stuck in false equivalency land.

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AI does not actually “learn” anything - perhaps this might change in the future. As it stands now, AI is basically just a sophisticatedly compressed knowledge base that has been calibrated on a pre-defined explicit (or implicit) objective. Because the compression is usually purposefully lossy (e.g. to avoid overfitting), one gets the impression on the other end that there might be something else than rote learning going on.

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Neural networks do learn but the learning is at a fixed point in time and produces what you’re describing (model weights), which is also based on a fixed point in time. Now whether that meets the pedagogical definition of learning, I don’t know, and don’t really care to get lost in the sauce on semantics.

I think it’s probably better to say they do not actively learn in real time and the training phase takes much longer and is much more expensive and lossy than say teaching another human being how to do a task.

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in other words the war on art is deliberate, and not a side effect?

to simplify things, so the simple question is what kind of systems are at work when AI is being applied, are those systems attempting to do what they were designed to do correctly, and is the perceived correct outcome from those systems healthy for artist development monetarily or otherwise?

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Of course my horse.

I’ve tried telling you countless times, ai has no agency. It isn’t a living thing that can decide things. Is the fucking nerds behind it who decide what to train it to do and how to apply it. And their sole motivation is, of course, riches.

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:grin: I was being facetious.

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my current secret suno secret pleasure is fucked up “cover” versions of 78rpm shellacs.

almost an autechre rhythmic structure on the drums on this one as i guess the process battles pops and clicks with whatever drum audio information was there/not there.

original:

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