The Clone War - Behringer. Good or Bad?

When is Behringer going to make a sampler? Clubbing these baby seals is making a
killer sound that I’d love to use…

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I agree. They could make a killer SP1200 for a fraction im sure.

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My Mona Lisa:

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I’m edging on the edge of ordering an Edge. Is that too edgy?

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Do it.

Join the BEddies.

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Indeed. And they could clone the SP-404mkii, EP-133, MPC, Electribe or any other sampler you could think of, and those companies couldn’t do a damn thing about it. The world is Beh’s oyster.

I guess you’re joking since OS.

Also the keystep rip off, what was the software like in comparsion to Arturia?

I literally have no idea what I’m talking about. I don’t know what you can or can’t copy/clone in the synth world. I’m an idiot used to the literary world where it is simple-- an original work is fully copyright protected for the term of: Life of author + 70 years. So, you get paid for your hard work and creative invention, as well as create generational wealth for your family.

It’s weird here.

I’m sure others with more knowledge of these thinks will chime in with more info but I don’t think you can ‘copyright’ a design per se. My understanding is you can copyright a drawing of a circuit in its original form (a manufacturers original schematic) but there’s nothing to stop someone re drawing it.

What a manufacturer can do is for example is patent a design. Moog did this with the transistor ladder filter and perused other manufacturers who impinged in their patent. EMS got around this by adapting the design to use diodes rather than transistors for their diode ladder filter (‘ladder’ describes how the original Moog circuit looks when drawn BTW).

I’ve no idea if Roland patented a DCO built around a programmable counter or not? Elka used a form of programmable counter but feeding a DAC rather than an integrator… I’ve no idea if this was to circumvent anything from a patent point of view.

Trade dress is something else related to this physical appearance of a product but that’s about as much as I know

Hope this helps

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Employment rate in Malaysia hits all time high as Behringer opens largest gear manufacturing factory in the world.

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Thanks for that!

It sounds like an ethical nightmare. No wonder threads like this exist.

Copyright, trademark, and patent protection law is a whole collection of laws and precedence. It can get complicated, and sometimes doesn’t make obvious sense, and may not always be completely fair or efficient.

One common use for trademark is to cover a name. You register the name with a classification of a product. ( Actually you can also get a trademark, without registering it too. ) Because this works internationally, a trademark in one country is recognized elsewhere. There are countries in the world that specifically don’t legally recognize these trademarks.

So you can register a name, and you can also if you choose you can register a font with that name, and a symbol as well as characteristic colors. That name can be for the product, or uniquely describe characteristics and features of a product.

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It is sufficient to just register a text name.

Also a part of having a trademark, is that you enforce it. There are various rules that determine whether you have enforced a trademark. In the past various trademarks have been lost, or acquired and maintained by others.

Words like cellophane, butterscotch, trampoline, and zipper, were once trademarked names.

I don’t know the history, and i might be wrong on this detail, but words like “Wave” may be generic enough now that they would be usable by anyone, and could not be trademarked for an electronic music product. But you could still combine wave with another word and trademark that – “WaveWarmth”. ( Came up with this on the spur of the moment, so hang me. )

So to add confusion, cola is now a generic term for a carbonated beverage. Coca-Cola is a trademarked name for a cola drink. But there is also the company COLA, Inc which has nothing to do with any of this, and that name is trademarked.

Medeli and Ashun Sound Machines owns Polytouch and licenses that keybed to Korg, but Arturia now owns FullTouch.

But POLYTOUCH is also the trademark for a self ordering and checkout terminal, and also a Korean company that makes contact lens cleaning products. Fulltouch is also a premium chalk from Japan.

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Thanks for taking the time!

Unfortunately, I’ve gone crosseyed from the complications of it all.

<curls up and seeks refuge in a warm and uncomplicated blanket named Life of Author + 70 years>

Wait, are you 70? If so, your mustache is legit NOT ironic.

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I work in a very IP sensitive area and this is probably one of the most important parts. You can have all the patents, trademarks etc. you want. If you don’t actively enforce it, people will take advantage as you keep setting a scene very dangerous for your IP portfolio and your company’s attitude.

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I happily bought the B2600 as it is something I have wanted for over 40 years but never could afford. I have some of the System 100 modules but have found the Roland System 500 modules to track better and are much more stable. Sure, they are 4 times the price but I shop used.

The real thing for me is after a while I stopped wanting all those little Behringer synths. The software from companies like GForce, Roland and Arturia are so good now that I’m happy with those. When I realized that I had not turned on my Behringer TD-3-MO since getting the Roland cloud version, I was done buying cheap Behringer gear. Do still love my B2600.

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If they clone the M:C and add ADSR envelope is game over.

I am John Waters.

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You can.

This guy Weber, had the patent for snowboards and wanted to cash in. Black Snow was gonna buy the patent and was gonna destroy snowboarding buy making companies pay for patent infringement. Burton stepped up, bought the patent, and buried it, to save the industry.
Legend has it he only charged each manufacturer $1….most likely UL.

he initially wanted the patent to fuck Sims Snowboards for trying to sue him. but in the end, did it to save the fun

THAT is, for the most part, and honourable business man.

But long and short, maybe a copyright doesn’t fully protect. But it looks like a patent might be yer pal in that dept.

im not a lawyer

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