That Syntakt Sound

I think not from a quick scan, but assumedly this IS a software limitation as PWM is possible by LFOing the SY-CHIP machine.

yes, this is what I ended up with… but woulda loved to add in some of that 5th in to the voice somehow

You can have Sy Chip on 3 tracks :wink: And even though it’s also digital, it sounds brighter and thus more ā€œanalogā€ than Sy Chip. Another solution is to just detune two OSCs against each other. With Saw waves:

Oh, one more thing. Fun fact, the tuning range is wider THAN on the Rytm. And on the Syntakt, you can push the tuning wider by misusing velocity mod to detune.

Edit: Forgot the most important wort.

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top tip!

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Correction: Syntakt has a wider tuning range than Rytm. I forgot the word ā€œthanā€ in the sentence. Good morning! @.@

Kind of sounds like Com Truise. :+1:

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I don’t know this, but I’m guessing the VCOs in the Syntakt (borrowed from the Rytm?) were primarily designed for percussive purposes, and that excellent key tracking was not considered important to the design. Unlike eg the A4 VCO design. My guess is the Syntakt has a simpler (but very nice sounding) VCO design.

With the tune parameter set to +24, playing the highest octave before the VCOs hit the ceiling discloses a seriously deteriorating key tracking. It’s even more noticeable when both VCOs are playing. Maybe the VCOs are technically capable of even higher pitches, but Elektron set a limit due to the key tracking?

I guess @ThomasJ knows :slight_smile:

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that would certainly explain it

Yes, I do know that the analogue synthesis of Syntakt is superior to Rytm’s in most aspects. I also realize I could have created that lead by combining several tracks, but the idea was to have a lead sound which would be playable from a MIDI keyboard, therefore it had to come from just one track

You can try to map several Syntakt tracks on one MIDI channel.

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That is a fun way of creating massive 6-VCO, triple-VCF stacked sounds :sunglasses:

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I think I ran into the upper keytrack limit on Syntakt analog tracks within 2 minutes of powering it on for the first time. It’s only occasionally a nuisance, when I’m sound designing and suddenly run into the upper note limit and have to alter my patch / plans a bit.

I don’t have the AR to compare but I’m really pleased with the analog track capabilities on Syntakt. It’s well capable of mid-high leads and pads but of course, it’s got a little more leeway in favor of bass. Still, the options are wide open.

I don’t know much about analog VCO/DCO design but I know the BD/Kicks I get off ST analog tracks are beautiful, and I can sound lock from a deep kick to a 2osc VCO stab on the same track within an instant. Might as well be magic :magic_wand:

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Now why didn’t I think of that? Brilliant.

That means I REALLY CAN use Syntakt like a crazy polysynth in the end… just make every track listen to the same MIDI channel! But does the sequencer also record the same data to all tracks when I do this?

I can even set voice handlings a bit different per tracks, so that some voices cut off lowest, some cut off highest, and some cut off the last notes, should result in interesting voicings…

Damn, if only the ST had at least another set of outputs… It’d give the bix boxes a run for their money

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I haven’t tried this, but I’m guessing if the sequencer is in record mode and two tracks are receiving on the same channel, they will both record.

You can’t really use this setup polyphonically though, it’s more like a monophonic unison or stacking mode where several tracks respond to the same monophonic data.

If you want to control it polyphonically, you need to use some exernal device (like Midihub or that smart midi cable I can’t remember the name of). They basically take the incoming polyphonic midi information, split it in monophonic data and send them sequentially to a list of midi channels. This means that yuo get round-robin style polyphony from a set of Syntakt tracks.

Edit: You can probably do the latter with a DAW with has decent midi processing features too.

I actually have a midihub but haven’t tried this yet. I think I need to test this.

RK-002 Smart MIDI Cable ā–ŗ Retrokits is the cable you’re thinking of.

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Yes, that’s it :+1:

Also, there is the browser solution from @MurkyFreddery
Did not test however
https://murkyfreddery.github.io/midirr/

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Yes, the main usage/design goal for the VCOs are for percussive sounds and bass/mid-range sounds - although it is possible to get some higher pitched sounds as well. Depending on the waveform they have different possibilities in the higher ranges. So the mileage will vary, and even if they can’t fully track there, we left it for the user to choose what to use them for instead of limiting too much.

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Great decision, and thanks for the answer :slight_smile:

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