I’m a big fan of them as well, once you get used to them I found them really intuitive and precise to use. Never had any issues with the knobs on either of my OP-Zs, knock on wood.
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Hoping I get my notice soon, I ordered only a couple hours after release from TE in the US too.
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Arguably it’s partially over engineered on the hardware department, personally I have not seen an field, but from what I read it’s more a refinement of the op-1 that sold for 800 and was perfectly fine in build quality and feel.
If the hardware is the price driver I think it’s not worth making the devices unobtainable for so many. I also don’t think it’s the chips.
I think the highest price driver is, plain and simple, development cost. (Which is fine I guess)
In regards to op-z … It definitely was spicy in price on release (in today’s money 750 $ + 120$ per module, so by that logic 1200€ would not be realistic.
What makes it harder: for the current price and used module prices it actually is priced really competitively…
If the quality problems where not there as a “when”, not “if”. As is it’s still a good value for what it can do, and that puts kind of some pressure on the op-xy.
I could see some features that could push the op-xy in firm (it’s worth it) for way more people, and from the specs it seem it’s mostly software, no hardware limitation. I do think they will not struggle to sell it.
I loved Rephazers ask why, so this thing can sound solid unlike many sad.
I want to see what people can do with the multisample engine!
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I don’t see it (TE is not known for extra high-quality components, screen designs look minimalistic to the extreme, most of R&D surely went towards the op-z?), but I have no way of knowing really. Strikes me more as market positioning than anything else, but it’s just my opinion.
All these people complaining about legitimate price discussions are the same that were saying the P-6 was fab to a large extent because it was only 200 bucks.
Price is a variable on every device, and it is normal that it is discussed in a forum.
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They’re not discussions though. Just people moaning about the exact same thing, over and over and over. Meanwhile, people who are genuinely interested in the instrument have to pick through the chaff to get to the actual conversation.
It’s like a DDOS on interesting and useful discourse.
Shutting thread down for a few hours fixed it for a while. But it’s creeping back in again. I honestly can’t understand why people have to make the exact same point over and over.
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I peruse my local classifieds and there is a guy that posted one of those old receipt calculators and titled it ‘EP-133 KO’
And in the description wrote ‘lol jk’
And he’s refreshed the posting every few days since EP-133ko was released
It’s amazing to me the dedication to making an overused joke and constantly beating it home.
On my end it’s super annoying because it clutters up the Ads, along with all those people trying to sell one random midi keyboard from 1980 for $300, and people trying to buy used vintage synths
It’s tiresome and perplexing to me
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Thomann just emailed to say they’re not getting stock until 25/11. 
I would switch my order to TE but Thomann is great, and has a 30-day return policy (TE is two weeks), and 3-year warranty (TE is 1 year).
Edit: TE’s warranty period is 24 months.
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people have been saying that the XY has all the features and fixes that OP-Z users have been asking for / complaining about or several years - what are those specific features and fixes that OP XY has that the OP-Z users have always wanted?
I think it’s pretty normal that a groovebox priced over 2000 triggers people. I don’t mind, people can be obsessed about polyphonic aftertouch, sample slicing, an obscure new Akai fx or the price of a new release, the enjoyment or usefulness varies but it’s a forum after all.
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One of the reasons is… That not that many have access to it, and there is currently mostly … Marketing material and the price.
“Is this the ultimate groovebox? Portable sampler sequencer with great effects and synth engines.”
minus good sound. It does sound really generic…
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JAM in sweden works out around £1327 ex VAT when I checked on launch day.
A UK seller is £1582 ex vat
So its amazing how much these thing fluctuate around the world 
I guess : screen, better build quality, longer sequences, better sampling, better sounds (if good has to be discussed, but I think nobody would say they are worse then op-z), better sound quality, stereo. 
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Aside from the wonderfully generous @MichaalHell, how many people in the thread actually own one? Feel like they might be only ones who can truly say it’s worth it or not.
Yeah, I’m bereft I can’t afford one, but I’d argue the price is fairly comparable to some other machines. Very different instruments, but the perkons, rytm, alpha base, and soma pulsar are incredible drum machines that retail for around $1999-2300 new. Apples to oranges, but they’re instruments I’ve always wanted!
Btw, you’re a true mensch, @MichaalHell . Thank you for your unending patience and vast insight.
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Why ex vat? Is there any way to exclude it? Afaik jam doesn’t do tax return scheme for outside eu tourists
Because they try to convince themselves that they don’t want it
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for the transpose function (brain in OP XY or “master” track in OP-Z) i’m really surprised that function hasn’t been added to elektron sequencers or other devices. it’s such a useful tool
that was a lot of fun on OP-Z except that it sometimes didn’t work very well. i imagine it works a lot more reliably in the XY
That’s fascinating! Thanks for sharing. Was not familiar with the original track. I think TE have often done this sort of thing actually, and consider it paying homage to a classic, rather than ripping something off. But it is interesting. I thought how bizarre the launch video was, didn’t know it was based on a bizarre original music video 
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Same here. But I’m not worried about those few days, what are a few days in a long-term relationship?
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Totally different machines for totally different uses and workflows so don’t feel like you “made a mistake” unless you were waiting patiently for the op-z field and got the op-1f as a second choice. I got my op1f not long ago myself.
The OP-1F is perfect for me and exactly what I wanted. I was looking for a pro audio level, all in one music maker. The op1F had all the features I needed and wanted and a lot more than I expected or thought to even consider. So far it hasn’t disappointed.
I also bought a KO2 and OP-Z as well, and despite never using a sampler before, and despite loving the op-z, I found the KO II to be more up my alley with its features, uses, and workflow. Now maybe it’s cuz my op-z was half broken (double triggers, broken pitch bend etc) that I didn’t stick with it but my point is you might think something is for you or something might not be, but then you try it or give it a chance and find out it’s actually quite perfect. It seems I prefer “audio based” workflows over MIDI based workflows. I just sold my op-z in anticipation that this might be the op-z field, but I didn’t think it would be $2500.
My point is unless you were a huge op-z fan and waited for the field version, then this is nothing to fret over. Plus, you can always return the op1F and get this if you decide what you really want is a sequencer synth groovebox, rather than a portable DAW that records audio.
Now if the op-xy did what the op-z AND op-1f did then I’d be annoyed
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