Scenes/Parts bug with pickup track

Elektron Gear Octatrack
#12

Hi there!
I m having the same problem on Os 1.25H.

I am complete noob with the Octa so thanks to your post at least I know I m not messing round too much or missing important info from the manual :sweat_smile:
And actually I m just learning how to use the recording buffer on different tracks, I was still confused about that!

Anyway do you guys know other bugs and connected workarounds on Pickup machines? I m planning to use them extensively for my set so I wanna be prepared!

I m sorry if this question has been covered elsewhere, but I m a noob to the forum as well :grin:

Thank you all!

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#13

Welcome :thup:

The search is pretty good now, so it’s down to search term choice
Pickup & bugs gets you this trawl of useful threads to browse usage nuance and opinion

Sometimes I see them referred to as PUM or PM also maybe search for issues or glitch if those threads don’t get you thinking about the perceived shortcomings

it’s best to master what’s on offer than to rue what’s missing, there are certainly some niggling aspects

#14

Hi Druido

glad to see I’m not alone with the bug, and sad to see it still exists on 1.25H,

I’m also quite new to this forum and the octatrack, but I have searched a lot here and otherwhere and didn’t find a single post about this problem, this is weird since I think there are lots of heavy pickup machine users in the elektron crowd… ???

I agree with you Avantronica, (best to master what is here than to rue on what’s missing),

but this is not a missing feature is it a feature just not properly working as it should :wink:

anyway it is a minor thing for me, but as it is the only minor thing I have with the OT, this minor thing tends to get major, ah ah!

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#15

Thanks for the link!
lot of great info in there :slight_smile:
Great to see so many shortcuts and unespected things!

Btw nobody rues here, is just that I bought the Octa to replace a lot of single Fx pedals and other stuff so of course I still have that kind of workflow mentality; Even reading the manual and all I get stuck on certain things, like implementing a machine with another etc.

The Octatrack is really a deep machine, I am replacing a 4 channel looper and all my guitar pedals and voice effects and a kaosspad/mixer with just this single box and it does way more of what I could do before in 1/10 th of the space so really I couldn t be happier about it!

Is just going to take sometime before I can really be confident to really stay in the flow while I m playing as I was used to have every single effect as a visible/direct hands-on device!

MonstreJumo for what I m seeing now on the forum it looks like there is quite some people using pickupmachines for a live djing/remixing in a live band context.
Like recording bits and pieces of other players or themselves and the mangle them, and probably in that case they just don t need an arranger or things of that sort.
While for folks that use the Octa for purely electronic act probably pickup machines are not so appealing (?) just guessing…

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#16

Have we found a real solution to this? I basically just want to fade between different guitar loops using the scene locks and the OT can be very temperamental and sometimes it will mute the correct pickup machines and sometimes it just refuses to do so. I just want the damn volume locks to work as they are supposed to. If I mute a track for a scene and slide to it I just want it to be silent!

Whats goin on with this eh? I feel like it probably comes down to the fact that there are no trigs on the pick up machines as as such the scenes decide not to work sometimes.

Any solutions y’all?

#17

Go to Project menu -> control -> sequencer. Check LFO auto change. Does this help?

Edit: the answer is not really :frowning:

#18

I’ll try this, any tip bas to be tried!

Cheers

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#19

The LFO auto change only applies the current scenes to the PU track when changing parts, but changing them (the parts) after the fact has no effect. (Edit: ok I may have been fooling myself. The LFO setting probably does nothing in this scenario)

I believe this behaviour is indeed caused by the part change and the fact that PU tracks don’t have trigs. If you know beforehand how you will progress through your parts/patterns I think a good solution would be to use a Flex machine in the new part, playing the buffer where your PU recording is.

I’m not at the OT right now but one more thing; what happens if you trig the PU track in the new part via the corresponding trig button? Will that refresh the parts for the track?

Edit: so I checked. Trigging the machine via buttons 9-16 will refresh the scenes so you can use them as normal. You probably want to have quantised playback set for the track.

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#20

Yup its definitely an issue with the lack of trigs. I don’t really have an option to moves these out of pick up machines as a have a set together where I loop my guitar and need them to be pick ups. I’m not really changing pattterns or Parts just scenes for mutes and effects locks.

I tried triggering the machine with buttons 9-16 and the effects that I had locked via scenes yes did start working if I quantized both with the QREC and QPL to PLEN. Not an ideal situation at all but glad they work some now. Just really would rather not have to think about retrigging the tracks to get this to work.

I should also mention that I’m using the arranger to shift between scenes which I feel like might also have something to do with this.

Can’t they just do a damn make it so you can put some trigless trigs on the pickup machines as to avoid having to click the damn button every time to refresh the scene.

#21

Thanks,

I someday tried the idea of a flex machine using the rec buffer in the next part, and it works like a charm, but I like to have the overdub still active when switching bank or part/pattern… so I got back to using pickup machines, and had to get rid of the habit to use scenes for the pickup track.

I can live with it for now, as it still is heavily powerful to transition with internal + external looping/overdubbing, leading very often to unknown improvised terrotories… and forces to better live tweaking skills!

#22

Did you try this?

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#23

I saw you wrote about that, but it’s an extra step I can’t afford in a live situation for now, as I’m still in the learning phase :slight_smile:

handling the pickup recording of cued tracks + something played on external synth manually while doing kindof transition trick to switch songs / banks and dealing with the EQs and Xfader to make sure the transition is smooth, while prepping the mutes on next song and reintroduce the next song’s tracks progressively… I can’t think of another step to add for now,

but I’ll keep your idea in mind for when I’m more used to all of this :smiley:

thanks again!

#24

Just one more note on Pickup machines - just because you change the type of machine on a track, it doesn’t mean that the OT OS will clear the track settings. The consequence is that if you had a track set as a Flex machine and had recording and playback triggers and then changed the machine to be a Pickup, those triggers will still be there and influence the behavior of the Pickup machine.

The fact that you can set recording (and indirectly playback) triggers on Pickup machines sits somewhere between a bug and a feature. It’s not straightforward how they interact and I’ve seen a Pickup track influence the playback of another Flex machine track depending on what the active track is and when you press the main play/stop or Pickup machine record start/stop/overdub/play.

I just haven’t had the time and patience to map out whether using triggers on Pickup machines can help automate some things or just lead to headaches and heartaches. :grin:

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#25

Hey guys sorry to give a second breath to this topic but I need your help :sweat_smile:

I have unfortunately lock the scene B of my project (the light is up only for the scene A) making it not working at all.
I think that is because I was using my parts with scenes and the record buffer on one of my track.
When I create another project the problem is gone so it is not a technical issue but more kind of a bug maybe.
I have already try to reload my project and parts without changes.

Do you have any ideas how I could figure out this issue without deleting my project ?

#26

How many other projects have you created on the same CF card?

My OT started locking up after I created over 10 projects - most of them admittedly being junk projects that I created while learning how to use the OT…

I deleted all the unused projects. The OT started working fine again after that.

#27

I have only few projects since I don’t like to have too much at the same time.

#28

Probably something you’ve checked but is the scene muted? Function and scene button. Or is the whole Octatrack locked up? I wasn’t sure.

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#29

Thank you very much you solved my issue ! Seems like I learned a new Fn Commande.

God Bless You

#30

Hello!

I got an Octatrack some weeks ago, and now i came across the exact same problem with pickup machines and scenes. Do you found a solution four years later? :smile: I noticed the problem only occurs when changing the pattern to another bank. Within the same bank everything works fine here.

Cheers!

#31

If memory serves and based on what has been written in this thread, the “problem” is that the tracks don’t look up the current part until they are trigged. PU tracks don’t have trigs. Manually trigging the offending track via buttons 9-16 seems to have updated the track to work with the currently active part.

Mind you, in most cases it is probably better to handle the track/part relationship this way.

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