It brings an undeniable element of poor man’s James Bond to the table.
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Ever since I saw Iron Eagle as a kid and watched him hook that Walkman up to the car I’ve been subconsciously drawn to connecting hand held music devices in to other things.
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I restored some of the factory samples to the P-6, and did nothing else, and now it works! Not particularly helpful, but now at least I can make some music.
EDIT: Solved! The P6 doesn’t like TRRS cables for input. A TRS cable works fine.
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Age detected!!
I still have mine too… I have two of ES1s because in 1999 or 2000 I thought I’d use one for percussion, and the other for melodic and other stuff.
I thought the ES1 was the bees knees 20+ years ago!! Eventually, I left hardware behind for laptop/breakcore/IDM type stuff… but then during the pandemic I wound up with a surplus of capital from not doing anything, and returned to an all hardware setup.
I still get nostalgia for the ES1 though, every time I see it! So many memories come flooding back… Kinda like if I sit in my friend’s parent’s old Buick that they still have, rusting away on their property, with a cassette player and ashtrays built in the doors.
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the es1 even with its limits is still a cool sampler imo. i’ll never get rid of mine. two things it has thats unique to it for me: the global delay + motion sequencing it, and making basses with just the pitch knob(happy accidents for basses).
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remembered that the p-6 has midi thru, so i chained up the pair and had a two sample granular patch going, made this while i was experimenting. been getting some annoying noise recently and not sure where its coming from exactly, but thankfully the grains drown it out
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Is is just me or does the threshold sampling suck on the P-6? I’m trying to sample a kick chain using threshold as the trigger, but no matter what input gain and threshold I set, the transient of punchy kicks is missed. I tried with the menu input gain at low and high settings, and with the most sensitive threshold (-24db) and no matter what settings the samples sound way less punchy. If I turn threshold off and sample by manual trigger it captures correctly, but often I have a bit of dead space due to the needing to press sample slightly before triggering the sound, to ensure it gets the transient.
Seems like -24db is still a little high or that there is a slight delay in sampling once the threshold is crossed, kind of a bummer. I guess I’ll have to use the app to import the sample chains, which defeats the object of having the feature to capture them on the device.
Can anyone else confirm this behaviour - the sample source is TE KO2, and when comparing sample taken on P-6 they are definitely missing the transients.
Here is an example first 4 are P6, second 4 are KO2, then alternate of each P6, KO, P6, KO.
Sample rate on P6 is 44.1khz.
For comparison here is same but without using threshold.
yeah ive noticed that -24db isnt low enough occasionally. i normally have a pretty hot signal going in when sampling into the p-6 to avoid this. i havent done any tests to check for transient loss, i havent noticed any large difference in the kicks i’ve sampled but thats not to say its not happening.
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Yeah, I’ve noticed the same: there must latency of some sort, my transients are lost almost every time even at -24. Weird.
im most confused when i see the level indicator on the tiny pads go up 20-25% of the way and still not trigger the threshold. i would imagine that -24db would be at the bottom of the scale.
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I did some testing maybe I figured it out but I need better ears. P6 automatically adds attack (3) to newly recorded sample you can check that without adjusting its value if you hold pattern + knob. Put it back to zero and let us know if that helps I’m very curious myself.
P6 b2b opz
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Having the same experience
Thanks for that info, I was quite hopeful it might be that, unfortunately it did not fix the problem though, the attack was set at 3 and when I changed it to zero the transient was still missing.
I think that there is a slight delay after the threshold is met before sampling starts, which causes a few sample to be missed, bloody annoying because I wanted to do a load of drum chains on the P-6 without having to get the computer involved. Now I’ve got to first record the samples into the computer, then chain them, then upload them using the crappy sample tool, then chop them on the P-6. Hours of extra work.
That’s annoying yeah but it’s not something that would make me use their excellent tool. I have been testing more and can’t really tell much of a difference tbh, I’m sampling with threshold set to -9db.
On a positive note I just found out by accident that you can record into chain from your other pads and banks as well which might come in handy actually! atleast I got something out of killing last hour or so 
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Id skip the app and just sample the chain in with a little gap of silence at the beginning.
Adjust the start to the first transient
and then chop.
You can make the chains in the p-6 if you want. Make a sequence. Resample. Chop.
No need to get the app involved computer if you dont want to.
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my quick tests just now show the same things you’re seeing @darenager
i have to agree with @doparoma too, i’ve made plenty of chains on my devices and havent noticed a difference, im not intending on doing anything different from here on out even with the new info. but i can understand how this is annoying
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I have found it to be quite material dependent - for example when sampling some 808 sounds from my KO2 some of the sounds - snare, handclap, rimshot all seem to sample correctly with their transients intact, but kick, toms, clave all have the problem. These are all using the same input gain and the most sensitive threshold setting. So I can understand why others may not have noticed it before, up until today I had not noticed it either.
At first I thought it may be a bug that only happened when recording using step/chain sampling, but it also happens (with those same sounds) if I use single sampling.
I mean it is still a cool little box, but I hope this gets a fix.
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speaking of input gain, i havent noticed that parameter making any kind of difference that i would expect to hear. havent done any experiments with that but i wonder if its related.
P6 being fed bits of 2x S1’s and then sequenced and then messed with and mooshed around and more S1s playing over the top.
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