Receiving Program Change Messages Not Responding Immediately

i agree this seems easy enough to fix

is not a work around

The A4 and the AK actually can do this by utilizing the multimap (not by program changes, but by sending configurable midi notes to the machine). It can jump immediately to another pattern starting there from the first step or continuing from where it left the previous pattern. IMHO these machines are the most flexible when it comes to remotely jumping between pattern.

I wonder why the multimap feature never got implemented on the other machines …

About the Rytm: how can a missing feature which was never advertised to be there be a bug? There is a manual everyone can explore before buying to see exactly what’s there and what’s missing.

Besides no direct changing, normal PC change is broken on AR when using advanced mode (individual track length), chng parameter does not work, doesn’t work in chain or song mode either, only for manual sequential pattern change. Been awhile since I tested so can’t post specifics, I think it changes after master length which can be quite a long time, need to test again. Have mentioned it several times including here:

This requires the reader to have 100% comprehension of a technical document for a piece of equipment they may never have touched in real life. That’s asking a lot. Maybe Caveat Emptor would be a better argument. To be fair, I read the manual before buying the Rytm and it was my understanding that “Direct Jump” would do what I described, as it’s name might suggest but it doesn’t, it behaves the same as the other functions.

is not a bug, it’s a way Elektron works, pc needs to be received around 200ms before.
Octatrack send it accordingly

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With a midi processor, if you map any midi message to Stop / Prog Change / Play, so you have instant pattern change. Works with OT, pretty sure it works with all Elektrons.
I’ll try later with AR and A4, I have something bigger :

Not sure about others but OT / A4 / AR responds to SPP (Song Pointer Position) in song mode.
I could map midi notes to SPP, hence directly play any step of a song (Arranger in OT), or change patterns with direct jump, quantized to steps. Works like a charm with OT.

Cheap working example : 4 arranger (song) rows, same pattern, 4 different scenes (pitch). A midi track with arp change arranger rows randomly, on step 5 and 13. Direct jump.

Can’t wait to test with the Dark Trinity, it should work similarly, I should be able to transpose on the fly the 3 machines, playing midi notes, short breaks, arpegiate patterns, etc…:loopy:


Got a bit excited when i read about the OS update to 1.5 today. Unfortunately Direct Change via Prog Change from a DAW has still not been implemented for AR.
So yeah, just leaving a slightly frustrated comment here with the hope someone from the stuff will find this 5 year old (!) thread and include this function in the next OS update… (never giving up hope)

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While I’m thrilled about ability to send MIDI sequences out of the Rytm/Keys, the feature you mentioned plus the ability to do full backup and restore are all I’m left wanting. I don’t know what I’ll do if I’m on tour and my Rytm gets stolen. How would anyone possibly manage to replace it and restore every pattern, kit, and sample on the +Drive etc.

One more voice here to add to the frustration over this. Also just got the AR, under the assumption that Direct Jump would work as with any other device… I could deal with the other limitations but c’mon elektron… such a bummer

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everyone should open a ticket with Elektron about this. I am


I know I posted this in a different thread but it’s valid here too.

If you’re using Overbridge with Ableton Live and Max for Live I made a device to solve this issue. New version will allow it to be used without Overbridge.

It sends the program change when you arm a clip instead of when the clip starts playing.

UI is wonky but it’s a device that doesn’t need direct user interaction (Except naming of clips). I’ll make it look nicer soon.


If you happen to be using Ableton Live, you can just set the clip Quantize on your program change MIDI clip to “None” in the clip properties and it will change patterns instantly (this is the only thing I have found to work for me)


Amazing work!! Thank you for this!

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Thanks and you’re welcome! I’m happy you find it helpful. :smile:

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just checked in to update the latest overbridge version and found your post. this sounds amazing!! will check it out immediately.
thanks for the effort!!

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So, just to be clear; does PC work if you are NOT using overbridge? If you are using just old-school midi & audio cables?

For people who do not use ableton and have this problem with hardware (for example with the octatrack in master) it is enough not to set up program changes via a midi track on the OT, just put the setting on program change send - auto channel, on the AR put prog change receive, and so the pattern will change without delay by an additional bar. The only limitation of this technique is that the pattern of the octatrack and the AR will all match (pattern A1 on the OT = pattern A1 on the AR… and so on). So you will have to use the same number of pattern on the 2 machines

May 2024 … this is still an issue :frowning:

Even on newer boxes ? You have to use a midi processor then. Cue pchange, stop seq, restart. It works, Realtime like a charm.