I am a maschine plus user and i also felt that the P3 had less sensitivity than the M+. Overall i would say - OMG - that the pads felt worst than the ones on the M+. The main issues i had were less sensitivity, and dobble triggs, specially when trying to hit the pads to full velocity. The pad settings though, make a big difference on improving the pads. Reducing the range to the minimum - or very low - and offcourse the threshold to zero helps a lot. Also getting used to the pads makes a diference. Eventually, giving a bit of time for the pads to break in might help - i can swear that the pads felt worst on the first day i tried the P3, than after a week - but it might be me getting used to them. I also felt some inconsistency on the pads, when playing instruments - some pads would sound louder than others. I would say that the P3 are less sensitivy than the M+, but dont need “much more force” to be triggered than on the M+.
But i think we are not alone in noticing some pad issues, reason being the latest beta adresses some issues of the pads, and i have installed and the pads now feel much better, less dobble trigs, more consistent feeling overall.
When you have the all internet going crazy about how amazing the pads are, the expectations are going to be very high, so i guess that its easier to be a bit disappointed.
I will try to compare the sensitivity with the M+ and then report back.
Just for reference, i am not a finger drummer - i have bad timing - but i have learned finger drumming with the amazing videos of Jeremy Ellis and i use his technique of using trying to use the fingers instead of the wrist to hit the pads. This makes me more anal about pad sensitivity, i guess
Just checked vs the Maschine. Definitely the pads on the P3 are more sensitive. And I definitely felt like they were not when I got it. So whatever the reason , it doesn’t matter, what it matters is that they fell awesome now. So just give it a bit of time, upgrade to the beta - which is less beta than the non beta version anyways - and they should feel very sensible. So much so that they might cry if you curse around them.
Eventually you might have a faulty unit. Good luck
You can certainly send CC. I’m no expert on this having gone rusty with Live in the years before the Push 3 arrived, but I’m sure you can do it via automation lanes, or if you want to do it via knobs on the Push then you need to use a third party Max4Live device, and you’ll probably have to define which cc’s you want available on knobs using Live on a computer before copying that to the Push 3. Its on my list of things to try soon.
I cant answer the program change stuff, but again a Max4Live device is probably an option if it turns out no others are available.
I am trying to decide between the Audient EVO SP8 or the MOTU UltraLite MK5 as an ADAT expansion for the P3S.
I am fully aware thet the MOTU is an audio interface which is not really needed since just an ADAT expander like the SP8 fits the task. I would use the MOTU (also) in other scenarios besides being an ADAT expansion for the P3S if I decide to get it.
I want to have some opinions if someone is already using one of these 2 devices:
What are your pros and cons?
What device you decided for after evaluating one of these - but changed your mind to get something else?
What do you thing is the best ADAT expander for the P3S?
I recently got the ultralite for exactly this reason. It can be used standalone as well and the biggest pro for me was that it is very compact. Haven’t found others that are this compact for live use except the 8 output expander thing. But ultralite is not that more expensive but gives you 8 inputs as well. Which was what I really wanted. Outputs are also DC coupled
I haven’t been able to use it just yet so the jury is still out but a mate of mine has one and is super happy with it. FWIW
Thank you. The compact size is the main reason I opted for those 2 devices.
The clear advantage of the MOTU is the ability to work the outputs DC coupled for Eurorack. Plus having an seperate audio interface when not used with the Push3S.
Otherwise the EVO SP8 is almost 300 bucks cheaper in my country. Still not decided yet.
I’m investigating MPE control now that I have a Push 3. How can I use pressure/aftertouch to control the amplitude/volume of an instrument like Simpler? What would I map the Expression Control Aftertouch parameter to? (I tried Gain, but there is a strange “zipper” sound when used, and it only goes to -36dbs, not zero.)
After weeks of toying around with different audio routing possibilities and learning the ins and outs of my 18i20, I’ve finally settled on a standalone Push-based setup that I’m psyched about.
I’ve been getting a lot of work done with a DAWless setup and I acquired the standalone Push with a few simple objectives in mind:
Scale-mode configurable pads input to my 3 digi-boxes. I’d been using a Launchpad Pro but their lack of support for custom scales meant that a lot of the new scales Elektron shipped last year weren’t supported. And although I sold my Push 2 to buy the LP because it seemed like a better DAWless / standalone option, the lack of a UI was a constant pain in the ass.
Ableton FX chains. 'Nuff said.
Send / return channels for my 3 OTO boxes.
Sequencing workflow that will allow me to write in such a way that it will be easy to perform live later. I’m still figuring this part out.
I haven’t finished mounting the 18i20 into a rack under the desk and cleaning up my rat’s nest of cables but as of this morning, she’s operational.
(Yeah, I know - the view sort of overshadows the setup. I’m on the top floor of a converted barn in rural Oregon and it’s glorious.)
I’m really going to love this setup. It centers on the digi-trinity, and routes to the OTO and AHFX for external effects as needed. I’m going to use the Elektron sequencers and keep everything synched via midi-driven song mode. It’s a little labor intensive but I’m getting used to it.
I’m really only using a small portion of the Push’s full feature-set, and for now, that’s plenty. It’s really more of a performance mixer than a DAW - I’m planning on using all of these FX to get a good mix and master, then record via stereo out. I may experiment with using the Push to sequence midi out, but I have a feeling that managing all of the tracks (24 across the ST, DN, and DT) will be messier than allowing the Elektron boxes to do what they’re good at.
One thing I want to really spread the word on is how slick the send / return UX on the Push. I can easily send any signal through my OTO chain and play with the Dry / Wet mix using Push encoders. I think there’ll be a lot of good performance options once the muscle memory sets in. I do wish the Push had more ADAT channels. After using 3 for the digis, I’m limited to only one output for send FX. Oh well, limitations are going to have to be part of the fun.
I spent more time than I’d like to admit figuring out how to route ADAT out of the 18i20 and into the Push properly. If anyone wants a hand with it, let me know.
Damn you are brave, diving straight into Dawlessness! Im still planning this out later in the year (or next year) once I choose a laptop and monitor to replace my desktop.
I have the same interface. I haven’t tried using ADAT with it yet, so no questions but I’m planning to do this tomorrow.
If you have pointers of something to avoid some headache, I’ll gladly take notes.
The main thing I’d tell you about ADAT on the 18i20 in standalone mode is to get really familiar with Focusrite Control. It’s not a bad application but it took me a minute to get my head around the routing UX. Also note that the ADAT channels will show up in Push as 9/10…15/16.
- that the pads felt worst than the ones on the M+. The main issues i had were less sensitivity, and dobble triggs, specially when trying to hit the pads to full velocity. The pad settings though, make a big difference on improving the pads. Reducing the range to the minimum - or very low - and offcourse the threshold to zero helps a lot. Also getting used to the pads makes a diference. Eventually, giving a bit of time for the pads to break in might help - i can swear that the pads felt worst on the first day i tried the P3, than after a week - but it might be me getting used to them. I also felt some inconsistency on the pads, when playing instruments - some pads would sound louder than others. I would say that the P3 are less sensitivy than the M+, but dont need “much more force” to be triggered than on the M+.
- and they should feel very sensible. So much so that they might cry if you curse around them.
Good luck
