I’ve had many prior frustrating moments with Focusrite Control. Hopefully that serves as a decent primer for this!
I will be reaching out to you about this as I have been struggling with my friend’s 18i20.
The other mistake a few people make with ADAT (myself included the first time I tried it with the Push 3) is to make sure you understand that digital links like this need to have both devices using the same clock. SInce we cant currently tell the Push 3 standalone to get its clock from another device, this means we have to tell the other ADAT device to get its clock from the Push 3. eg on the Focusrites that means using their control software to set the Focusrites clock source to ADAT.
Ah, so then you have to connect both the out and the in to the same device? You couldn’t use two separate devices because then you wouldn’t be sending clock to the input device. Does that make sense? This assumes that adat clock is only sent from the out port on Push.
In Live, you would map the Aftertouch to Volume (lower right corner of Simpler). Just be careful because Max is 36db/ Min is -36db (which is silent).
Zero is at 50% (min and max settings by default are min 0 / max 100).
For me, I would change this so Minimum is set to 50% and Max is 0, so pressing harder makes it quiet.
I’m getting approximately 5mm on the rubber feet.
Is this the Standalone? If so, there’s the heatsink, which I’m getting at approximately 4mm.
I’m saying approximate, because I’m only using measuring using a tailor ruler. It’s not exact, so I could be off a millimeter.
Awesome, thanks for that!
I did try mapping to volume but I got a weird “zipper” sound. This is even when using the MPE Control effect with smoothing applied. Not sure what the deal is. This is easier to do with Wavetable, as you assign MPE Pressure to Amp in the matrix.
I’m really wishing I could have a smooth, longer release for Pressure when I lift my fingers (rather than the Pressure jumping immediately to 0). It would also be great to be able to set a threshold for Pressure. Are there any Max4Live devices that allow you to have better control of MPE? There is a Max4Live device that does this for Aftertouch, but I can’t find one for MPE, and the MPE Control effect in Ableton is really basic.
Maybe you could adjust the envelope to get the release you are looking for?
Is this a native Simpler preset that you’re adding aftertouch to? If so, I’d like to see if I can either replicate zipper sound or set it up so it works correctly.
I didn’t get the zipper sound
Also don’t forget the logarithmic vs linear settings, plus you can adjust the rise/fall settings too
Before, I was testing with my own sample, but I just tested this with the Grand Piano Single Sample preset, and I’m hearing the same thing. It’s less noticeable if I reverse the Min/Max per your suggestion, but it’s still there. Also, I’m trying to use Pressure/Aftertouch as if it was an “expressive” envelope. I’m realizing that even if the zipper was gone, -36dbs isn’t really quiet enough. I’ve attached a screen shot of what I’m doing - which could be wrong! Thanks for taking a look!
Also, another thing I’m wondering about. I’m testing the MPE Control with Wavetable. I’ve set the Pressure Fall to be 1 second. Instead of slowly falling over 1 second, the Pressure HOLDS for a second and then drops to 0. This is not what happens when converting Pressure to Aftertouch. Is this what is supposed to happen? It seems like a bug. (see attachment)
Not sure if this is something you’re looking for, but one thing I changed was the attack, but this doesn’t need to be adjusted to be expressive, but in rationalizing why you wouldn’t reverse the minimum and maximum, I thought maybe you wanted to slowly ramp-up the sound. Slow attack allows for striking dynamically and then ramping up to that volume as you press harder.
I also looped a section of the sample to better show what aftertouch is doing.
Another thing is that I don’t believe you need to use MPE Control. You can edit the curve (expand in Expression control) and it correlates directly to minimum and maximum levels, so again be careful when mapping to volume.
-36db should be enough because Simpler is supposed to become silent at -36db. If that’s not happening it might be because with MPE Control added, you’re doubling the MPE input and it could be what’s causing issues.
Hopefully someone might know better than me, but my understanding of this is that basically you’re setting resolution of the smoothing, so setting it to 1 second makes sense only if you are playing something with very little changes in pressure over multiple seconds.
Anything played shorter than seconds, should have the smoothing set to a lower time. Obviously with it off, it’s very reactive to changes.
I’m not sure about the convert to aftertouch option, other than knowing it’s meant for non-MPE synths with aftertouch only. I would imagine some behavior differences, but I do see when converted mapped parameters drop back down, whereas non-converted, it can get stuck after removing fingers from the pads.
I was curious about this, so I did a little research. As best I can tell, ADAT is a unidirectional protocol, so if Push can’t yet receive ADAT clock, it would have to send it to the converter. Most converters can receive word clock via a BNC connection, but without a matching output on the Push, it would have to fall back to TOSlink, so you would then need to have both the input and output connected to the converter.
If the converter has both inputs and outputs, however, you’d already be connecting it this way, so it might not matter depending on the hardware you’re using.
Oh, you might be right, I think I misread the original description of the setup in question. Thanks for the correction!
I had the touchstrip issue, mentioned above. I contacted Ableton and they asked me to send my Push back to them and told me that they would send a replacement immediately. It’s annoying that had I waited a bit longer, I could have fixed this with a firmware update, rather than being without my device; I do however understand that this is a brand new device and that being an early adopter, I may come across some issues that will be ironed out in future.
What’s really frustrating is that now, over a week and half later, I’m still waiting to get shipping notification; the person responding on the ticket I have open says there has been a mix up at the warehouse. I’ve asked for an update again, and expecting the same response.
Does anyone have any ideas about how to nudge Ableton to keep this previously very satisfied customer, satisfied?
Support has been swamped. The case for my replacement took about a month in total with all the back and forth. I was getting one response per week. For comparison I got confirmation of a replacement being shipped on the 28th and delivery is scheduled for tomorrow.
Could you compete the partitioning in MacOS, or does it need to be Linux? I know the Push OS is Linux and please forgive my stumbling here, as it is not my expertise, but I would love more space.