but then people would start asking for a way to fine tune automations. I think we should accept that the final arrangement should be done on a laptop, but that’s only my opinion.
I would be fine with the ability to record a performance in arrangement view in standalone which you can later edit on a laptop.
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I think the recording of a performance to arrangement view sounds like a good solution. Maybe with some easy editing options that doesn’t really require much visual feedback like deleting automation to be able to record small improvements here and there.
More detailed editing is likely easier to do on the computer anyway. I’m sure there will be implemented some solution but for me there are many other things I would prefer to be priority over a full arrangement view solution for SA.
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Well, there is no loss of arrangement view if you’ve used any other Push. It was never there lol.
Same with VSTs, for the most part you can’t do much with them from the Push unless you went out of your way to map parameters on your computer or they were a unicorn and had some parameters pre-mapped. This is just how things have always been, you just had the option to look up at your computer monitor and grab your keyboard and mouse and do something about it… like you still do.
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Yeah, that should be more than sufficient. Also, you can always erase automations and do them again if they didn’t sit perfectly, right? In session view I mean.
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Sure they do! If arranger view would just be putting clips from session view after another,
I bet it would be already there. For me, arranger view means constructing a song out of ideas in clips. Taking a clip, making changes, build up tension, cut the drums for. Few beats but with a last hit on 1. adding. Cymbal here and there, or a riser. Drawing exact modulation curves to „perfectly fit“ the song etc.
a simple pattern chain wouldn’t need big implementation and would be far from what Live already has.
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Bit the bullet at the weekend and got my tracking info today for a standalone - looks like I got in just in time for this batch. I figured that I was only going to be find out if it was suitable for what I want to do with it by getting hold of one since the internet is completely flooded with extremely basic information about it, crowding out anything that goes a bit deeper (tbh I feel this is true for Ableton in general). I think I’m a bit of an odd case so intrigued to see how this goes
- I still intend to use Bitwig as my primary DAW, but use the standalone to use Ableton as an instrument/sequencer that I print audio/send MIDI to Bitwig with (and also receive bonkers MIDI from Bitwig Note Grid contraptions). I did miss having Max stuff, and running both apps together with soundflower-style audio piping is just tons of faff/cpu overhead and really unergonomic for my workflow.
- I weirdly was after a second audio interface for a little DAW-only focus corner of my studio away from all my hardware + big studio computer, so this works really well.
- Have wanted a reliable MPE controller that doesn’t become vapourware for such a long time, and I feel confident that Ableton isn’t going anywhere soon (Linnstrument was always at the back of my mind but the form factor wasn’t quite right for me).
- Gives me the option to configure one of my smaller eurorack cases away from the big system and focus on it, using ES-3/6 to talk to Push’s interface via ADAT, rather than being stuck to the interface that lives in a completely non-portable 19" studio rack
I can tell from all the posts that I’m probably gonna pay the early adopter tax with lots of little bugs and jank, but ultimately it seems to cumulatively solve enough little problems for me that it’ll be worth the £££ - well we’ll see! I really want to see how it works with Bitwig (I’m a little concerned that Ableton might have locked this down enough that I can’t even use it as a MPE controller outside of Ableton), and just how much of a pita current M4L is, or if editing devices like I did for Push 2 can get me far enough. Some lucky friend is going to get a dirt cheap Push 2 out of this so should work out well for them at least.
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Whut? You ordered in the weekend and you got the tracking details today? I ordered it Friday and nothing yet - 2-4 weeks untill they have it in stock
I think it depends on the shipping destination. I ordered my SA on Thursday for delivery to Ireland and no shipping info yet.
I ordered late Friday and got shipping tracking, today but I am in the UK and its from the UK office. The UK is now however out of stock of both the controller and standalone and both say 8+ weeks.
Well, I have to be happy for you guys then 
but did you guys also had the 2-4 weeks notice when you ordered push on Ableton.com, or did it show in stock? I just what to know the amount of hope that I can have on having a earlier delivery to Norway
I ordered Saturday morning and got my tracking number a couple of hours ago. When I ordered it said estimated shipping 2-4 business days. If it said 2-4 weeks for you, that’s probably what it’ll be, they’re not all being sent from the same place (I’m in the UK).
I’ll manage Thanx
Yes, but the difference is that the Push 2 was never sold as a standalone experience. By selling the Push 3 as Ableton Live in a box (although, to be fair, the website wording is cleverly constructed in this regard) while it doesn’t yet offer a very significant part of the workflow, the device isn’t yet quite offering what it lets YouTubers promise.
Though it is a thoroughly decent product even at launch despite this! I hope the interface continues to be developed and that a solution is found for the arrangement mode in future, I’m still very tempted to buy the standalone.
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I’m in the US and ordered it on Wednesday the 24th and when I ordered it it said 2-4 weeks (now it says 8+ weeks or whatever but I’m assuming that’s for everyone that orders now).
No shipping yet.
Edit:
Actually based on my confirmation email I ordered it on the 23rd.
Controller or standalone?
You dont need to worry about that. I got my standalone today and it works fine as an MPE controller for other devices. One of my tests involved Bitwig and MPE soft synths.
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About songmode. Ever tryied maschine? They’ve done it, since 2009. 
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Standalone
I mean, it’s pattern chaining until like two years ago when they added the actual arranger and I personally think the arranger is garbage when workin in the hardware lol
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