Moog Matriarch

Mine’s in storage at the moment, so no recordings…

But I can confirm that mixing the oscillators higher than 4-5ish (about eleven o’clock) will overdrive them. If you set all of them at 10, you’re guaranteed to heat things up.

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My left / right outputs never seem to be perfectly balanced even if I’m not using any stereo features (so either series or parallel filter and no delay). The right output seems to peak about 0.2 - 0.4 db louder than the left. Happens with all the oscillators and at different vol levels. I tried different connections and cables and getting the same thing. Is this normal?

Here are two recordings, cycling through the different waveforms

First is with oscillator volume at 10:00

And then max volume

It definitely gets really gnarly at max volume, especially those pulse waves :joy:

@enzo Maybe these recordings can help answer your question? I’m seeing the same difference you described, with the right side being a touch louder. Recording path was Matriarch > Zoom R8. Dropped the files into Logic and normalized to -1.0 dB

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I appreciate it! Good to know it’s not just me. Seems like it’s to be expected then. Or there’s something wrong with both of ours :sweat_smile:

Not a big deal in any case. Still a beautiful sounding instrument! And i can just record one channel as a mono signal if i really need it

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It’s a well knows ‘feature’ of the mixer stage as @Octagonist has already stated. It’s intentional as Moog copied one of their modular mixer circuits for that very purpose. Lots of transistor saturation! Just keep the levels low and you’ll be fine

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hooked up the matriarch to my tek tonight :drooling_face:
(crap video, just to show the vibes - it got way weirder than that)

A couple of Matriarch thoughts:

  • A pseudo “play it in” sequencer: Best with an external clock & rhythm. While in REC mode, press REST 32 (64) times. Switch to Seq, hit play, switch back to rec and play along with your drum track until it comes around. It’s not perfect but I prefer it for making sequences
  • I’m surprised there’s not an way to add CV signals together. Unless I’m missing something, there’s no way to have both an LFO and the Mod Wheel CV control the filter
    ETA: eh, you can do this using ATT 1 and 2. Still can’t quite get to the patch I want, because I want to do that twice.
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I just read that the Matriarch is being discontinued.

Do you think buying one now would be a good investment?

What do you think the new management will replace it with?

I’m worried about buying one, only for it to be replaced by a model that can save patches.

I wouldnt go by any of these discontinuation rumors. If anything, Moog may have temporarily paused production of the standard version, because they just recently restarted manufacturing batches of the previously discontinued Dark edition.

Sweetwater has the Dark version up again for preorder with it shipping in October, and other retailers such as Vintage King, Alto music etc recently restocked it as well.

Either way…its an incredible synth, and is absolutely worth it, even if it was actually being discontinued (which it definitely has not). :wink:

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I mean, that would be a completely different synth not a replacement. The core of Matriarch is it’s semi-modular

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I highly doubt the Matriarch would be discontinued. It’s well regarded (i love mine) and still seems to be selling well.

Maybe they’re working on an Mk2 or something.

It’s hard to tell what the considerations are though. Have certain parts become unavailable or much more costly? Is the build too hard for Inmusic to automate? Is the profit margin on a Matriarch insufficient for Inmusic, given what it costs now to make and ship one?

The old Moog was always pictured as a bunch of hippies assembling synths from circuit boards in a little room in Carolina. I like Inmusic’s recent MPCs a lot, but they seem much more like something that was made on an automated assembly line. Maybe the Matriarch doesn’t lend itself to that.

I have no inside information at all about whether the Matriarch is discontinued for good, but that outcome doesn’t seem impossible to me. New owners have new priorities.

I love mine too and really hope they will go on being made, and made with the same sound.

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These are all good guesses. If it really has been discontinued, a component shortage combined with a low profit margin would be my guess too.

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because they just recently restarted manufacturing batches of the previously discontinued Dark edition.

Sweetwater has the Dark version up again for preorder with it shipping in October, and other retailers such as Vintage King, Alto music etc recently restocked it as well.

I read that they literally just ‘found’ the parts to make a new batch of the Matriarch Dark in the Asheville factory… didn’t know they were there apparently…! But otherwise the Matriarch will be EOL - I suspect all the pre-InMusic Moogs will come to an end eventually as they start to manufacture more of their own new designs, which are obviously manufactured at a different price-point if the Muse cost is anything to go by .

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Man, a Matriarch that is polyphonic and can save patches (but still have patch points for modular stuff) is my dream synth ever. I just love that thing.

There are a few ways to have the equivalent of saving patches with a sequencer and some Eurorack modules. I have a Cirklon, and one of the things on my to do is to use it to save states on my Behringer Model 15. Another thing I want to try is using one of my Proton’s envelopes for the Model 15 (since the Model 15 only has one).

I would have hoped they would fix bugs before discontinuing it…
I’ll never buy anything from them again.

I wouldn’t anticipate prices will rise rapidly right away. My guess is they go up, drop back down to about where they are now in a few months, and then slowly rise over time starting in a few years. Plus/minus inflation headaches.

I agree a synth with patch storage is against the design of this one. I had one for a few years but replaced it with a One because I wanted patch storage that much. I miss mine sometimes, but don’t really have space for it now, and I know that lack of patch storage would bother me again.

Investment in what? Does “making sounds and music you like” count as investment? Or do you mean monetary value?

To the former: it’s a gorgeous synth. It sounds amazing. It’s got some quirks, some focus/limits, and wont be your “workhorse” do-everything poly synth. But, IMO, where you can make space for it, it makes everything its used on sound better.

To the latter: my guess is as good as yours. The second-hand market, broadly, seems to be dipping slightly at the moment. This is not investment advice.

Sounds like you don’t want one, really.

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Lots of “great” synth companies are notoriously bad at this.

Also on my sh*t-list for never-fixed bugs is DSI/Sequential.

Unfortunately for us users, for most companies in the hardware game there’s little profit in bug fixes. They just keep pushing out the next thing…

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