Have you tried running the clock from Ableton, i.e. running Perkons as Slave with Ableton as the Master clock - instead of Perkons as the Master?
I think thats what he tried unless I misread. This is definitely a good workflow though - it’s what I do and it works great.
It may be his unit. Hopefully he can send it back to Erica and get taken care of. This is a flagship device, should come with white glove treatment.
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So it suddenly occurred to me: what if it isn’t midi latency, but audio latency in Ableton? And lo and behold, after testing that’s exactly what it is. Anyone know how to deal with this? Audio chain: Perkons is running through a Samson patchbay normalled to a Focusrite Scarlett Octopre, which sends audio via ADAT to my Push 3 and into Ableton Live. (All my other synths and drum machines running similarly don’t have latency that I’ve noticed). I’m monitoring Perkons with an external instrument device in Live. Perhaps if I adjust the hardware latency in that device it will help? Will report back.
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So seems like adding 60 ms to the hardware latency on the external device in Ableton Live fixed the issue, and Perkons is now in sync with the rest of the system. I haven’t had to adjust this parameter before. I’m curious if anyone else has experienced this in Ableton with other hardware and whether this is the best way to address the problem. Thanks for all your input.
Best way to address latency is to cut it out - can you play directly from the input and record into the track without monitoring the track?
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Your set up is wrong. At the core you need to align your audio interface latency with what ableton thinks it is. They have a guide for this on their site. That is how ableton adjusts properly for latency. If that is off, everything is off.
60ms is way too much adjustment, imo.
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Thanks, I did initially adjust the Latency for the Push 3, although I’m not sure its taking into account the additional audio through ADAT. Perhaps I should be clocking the system from the ADAT, I’ll see if that reduces the latency.
You are clocking from the push3? I thought you were using your octopre. So this setup is push 3 as interface and its inputs are expanded with the Octopre via adat?
If so that’s your problem most likely. The push3 is still getting a lot of complaints for sending out bad clock. I wouldn’t use that as my clock source, unforturnately.
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I’m clocking from Ableton Live via the Push 3 in controller mode, though I just switched it to send clock from the Octopre ADAT, but doesn’t seem to change the latency, alas. I don’t have issues clocking anything else from the system at all (eurorack, synths, 303, S-4, Elektron stuff, FX boxes, MPCs).
I use +14ms track delay on any track that doesn’t use a hardware input. That’s what turned out to work the best in my situation. Sometimes I need to usea bit of midi delay in Ableton’s / push’s settings when syncing to a dedicated external midi clock. The 14ms seems to be the adat latency as far as I can tell. I use the word clock from motu, not push btw and everything is tight as can be (combination of eurorack and perkons) 60ms seems way too much.
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So I’m gonna have to record some demos, but Noise Engineering’s new Dystorpia pedal is a helluva fit with some of the Perkons voices. Lots of fun experimentation and sound design to be had here, and I’m especially digging the distorted bass sounds you can get from it.
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Looking forward … I keep trying to think of ways to use all of the individual outs but usually just have the Zen Delay sit on algo1 then run everything else through the master.
Maybe I’m just not experienced enough with mixing, but the master just glues everything together so nicely without it overlapping too much.
But you can still do that if you use the individual send and return? (albeit in mono)
I’m thinking of putting together a voting form for Perkons owners to petition for an update that changes the Drive knob setting to a Resonance knob.
I love this machine so much and cannot fault anything but the dedicated Drive knob which, for me doesn’t really add or do anything. I feel like being able to add resonance to the filter would be a fantastic addition, if there was enough demand and it was technically feasible.
Any Perkons owners interested in such a feature?
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I think an option to choose a few parameters would be nice.
Just like there’s the option to change CC through the text file, let’s have a text file to change a couple of things.
Two things I really wanted to change:
BPM knob range (it’s too wide for me)
Pitch env Decay time (on some algos, it’s fixed on a value that doesn’t work for me)
Would be great if we could choose tunings (microtonal options of course!)
I don’t have this instrument atm btw, just tried it for a couple of weeks. Great concept, I would love to be able to tweak it just a little bit. I would buy it then 
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That’s not strictly true. I mean the machine is waaay softer with the drive at lower dials, I’m not sure I’d want to lose that control if I’m honest.
However, yes! Being able to add resonance would be absolutely incredible!!! Bit of a miss on the machine tbf.
What I really want is a more modular choice on algos, and more of them. Being able to assign them to channels freely would be insane. There was one great update that added the superb ‘digital noise’ algo but I have a horrible hunch that updates will be scarce moving forward.
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Erica are working on a “big update” for Perkons that will “open a lot of new possibilities”
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAYx_QACbbm/?igsh=MThxd2Z2NWR3MWJqeQ==
I love to eat my words!!
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Oh nice !
Maybe I’m insta-ignorant but I just see a cosmetic update on that post?
Or maybe I missed sarcasm?
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