I have a continuum and I must say this is interesting but a bit strange. The great thing about the eaganmatrix is how organic it sounds when controlled by a highly expressive controller like the continuum, mini, and others.
Depending on the patch the polyphony changes, there is only so much dsp…
Yes, we all know EaganMatrix responds great to manual playing, but there’s been demand for more affordable Eurorack integration.
In the past you had to buy a Continuum then spend another $550 for the CVC.
$800 for this module is not cheap, but it’s still lot more affordable than $550 plus your choice of Continuum.
To clarify for anyone dropping in on this thread:
The Haken CVC has 16 CV outputs, four groups of four CVs, that can be added to the Continuum, ContinuMini, Osmose, and most notable here the EaganMatrix Module via a high speed I2C interface. This is an alternative to routing MIDI from one of those controllers to CV. This allows you to play CV controlled voices more directly with one of those four controllers.
The EaganMatrix Module ( EMM ), in addition to those 16 CV outputs via the CVC, also has 8 CV inputs, two groups of four. The first four ( W, X, Y, Z ) are for controlling that one CV created voice. The second four ( i, ii, iii, iv ) affect all voices, both the CV created one and those created via MIDI.
You can also input to the EMM via MPE and MPE+ MIDI.
A Eurorack version of the CVC would really be great if that is possible !
ADDED: The Evaton uCVC is Eurorack and is the same as 1/4 of a CVC. You can daisy chain two uCVCs together.
Really agree with this, but it depends enormously on how you are viewing things.
First, if you are someone who works in MIDI primarily, especially if it is MPE MIDI, why do you even care if the first four CV inputs have only one voice ? Just keep using MIDI !
Secondly, i think that the strength of the EMM really is as an alternative way to control the EaganMatrix sound engine. Someone comfortable in finding other ways for controlling things is either:
(A) Not bothered by using CV and MIDI to control the EMM.
-OR-
(B) Is prepared and interested in creating their own interface to control this unique synth.
blipson: You have or are about to receive your new Embodme Erae Touch which outputs MPE. Isn’t that ready made to hook up to the EMM ? Seems a perfect combination to me for exploring alternative interfaces.
ASIDE: In the Gaz interview video, Edmund Eagan said that Haken was looking around at various options before committing to the EMM. I wonder if a software only version was even considered, and if that is even possible ?
ADDED: I have really been scratching my head, when considering using the EMM to output 16 CV signals – four groups of four. But Haken did specifically build this capability in to the EMM. Haken has been working on EMM specific patches, so those perhaps will include some sorts of monster CV controller patches.
yeah. When I have that Embodme in my hands, we’ll see how it goes. I’m primarily getting it as a full-dynamic range fingerdrumming controller. Isometric layouts for microtonal is #2, so I guess EMM would be good for that, but I’m thinking it will take an annoying amount of work to set up. I’m primarily interested in the EaganMatrix for real-time manual and playable intervention into the matrix, which we get with Osmose, so to geting the Erae Touch to work with it, too, is secondary, and can Erae Touch CV-control the Osmose’s matrix? I have to review the inputs and outputs.
I believe for CV control of the Osmose’s EaganMatrix (or anything else inside Osmose) you need to the CVC, which is a separate $550 purchase
The Haken CVC is a CV output device only.
You can output MIDI from a device like the Erae Touch ( which has no CV out ) to either the Osmose or the EMM.
Good catch Re: CVC only has outputs, zero inputs.
So, no direct CV input to Osmose is possible - only via MIDI-CV conversion.
That makes the buying decision clearer for some folks. If keyboard is not your main instrument and/or your main usage is firing off sequences, arpeggios, etc. from Eurorack or other CV compatible gear, get the module instead of Osmose.
Another difference, the EMM has audio inputs.
Also worth noting, although audio input is rarely cited as a criterion for purchase of an Osmose
Yeah you’re right it makes little sense to draw comparisons to the Osmose or the Continuums. We can lay those comparisons aside. The EMM is very much it’s own thing.
Haken summed up its vision for the product inside their first paragraph at the product’s website:
This versatile module can act as a sound source, a sound processor, a CV source (via connection to an external Control Voltage Converter), a Midi source, or a customizable combination of all these capabilities.
So four distinct areas of focus. This shows the general purpose nature of the Engine. There are going to be very different patches used on the EMM. ( Reference: Gaz interview video. ) Hard to judge what might or might not be possible.
I have already speculated about CV output using either Haken CVC unit or the Evaton µCVC with new patches for the EMM.
I will speculate a little more.
Loopop in his video on additive synthesis included a very short section on the additive synthesis capabilities of the Continuum.
But this is limited on the Continuum to pre-processed sound. Note how at the end of this video clip Loopop says, “but i think they are working on that.”
This all has been noted elsewhere around this Forum, about the short coming of only having preprocessed sounds on the Continuum and Osmose for resynthesis, and wondering about ways to get around that limitation.
Could the EMM be a way around these limitations ? This is now at least potentially possible with the EMM. Now it’s a large leap to conclude that there will ever be live input, and re-synthesis on the EMM, like what can be done with the Rossum Panharmonium ( thread link ), but it is also not out of the realm of possibility with the EMM either.
It’s just me here speculating from some new facts.
looks like the module is out now, the eagan synth editor looks pretty daunting!
Me too !!
I’ve also been considering all the ways the two could be used together. And the audio input still has me curious.
@richie, yeah, Im hearing on our forum (polyexpression.com) that some that ordered directly from Haken in the US are getting them.
… but I see no signs of it in the EU yet… Schneidersladen don’t even have a date yet.
@Jukka yeah, I only noticed later that the Osmose lacks the audio input …
so that did fuel my gas for this.
my issue, is I do have a habit of going ‘all in’, and getting this and the Osmose feels like this.
also Im still in two minds exactly what does “modular” add to the Eagen Matrix.
Im not going to get much from this module, if I just plug an MPE controller into it, since the Osmose will allow the same kind of thing.
thats not to say I cannot see a use… rather, just wondering how much use Id get from it in a modular context.
100%
If it’s not forever for the Osmose to arrive, i can then evaluate how i feel about using the EaganMatrix. That could help me decide.
Of course some interesting patches specific to the EMM, and a better sense of the things doable with the CV interface would help.
It’s all over though, i’d buy immediately, if additive synthesis / effects, using the audio input was ever implemented.
In the mean time i’ll wait on Osmose.
Im only going to know if I can resist temptation when its available at Schneidersladen 
(the fact I keep checking stock … is not a good sign though !)
interesting, musicstore.com are saying May 30th estimate.
… thats close to Osmose shipping dates, so perhaps Im safe!?
We also have Superbooth, middle May, to stumble through, and EMM will definitely be there.
An event where they introduce, “EMM, meet Osmose. Osmose this is EMM”, would be hard to resist.
they were both there in Sept last year… Haken had the EMM, Continuum and Osmose all sitting in the same little hut… and expressive-e next door in their hut.
(but there were limited units of all of them, so getting hands-on wasn’t really possible)
Edmund Eagen did a really good demo of it, but even then, it felt like he was still grasping possibilities… also of course, he wanted to show how you could work with an MPE controller (or non mpe controller) with it… which was not really my ‘focus’.
they did say the component shortage was going to hamper delivery.
Looks like its widely available in Europe now.
Im in the same way I have a Osmose on preorder, i dont think we will see it by the end of the year, so kind of wanting to try the EaganMatrix . The module seem interesting but the Continuu Mini is just a little more money and has all that needs to play it, so kind of split in what to get.
I hopefully receive mine eaganmatrix coming days. Anyone noob tips?
