I have the Tangerine. It’s great! It has a threshold sampling option and there’s no auto-multisample sync issues to my knowledge. You can also set the envelope, filter, midi channel per instrument/multisample, and you get 8 pads on the screen.
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Thanks!! I need to investigate more on .eldrum. Never heard that. I guess is a los sample with lots of single hits and lots of slices. Yes, as you say, preparing that in PC is inconvenient.
Isn’t this comparison a bit misleading??
If you used 3 Single Player tracks for Kick, Snare and Hats, then 1 Subtrack for the rest of your kit, wouldn’t that navigate most issues??
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In the meantime I’ll be keeping my eyes on the Tonverk. If they sort out a way to easily and smoothly create round robin .eldrum instruments through the autosampler, then this could become a strong contender for picking up drum sampling duty from my DTII.
Enabing slicing on sample chains per subtrack with proper slice point editing, would also go a long way.
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Slices on Subtracks seems so obvious
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It does. the way I have it set up mostly is Kick 1, snare/clap 2, ohh/chh 3, misc percs on 4. That can all be routed seperatley so your kick can sit on its own track and avoid the processing of the other 3. You can also take this a step further by layering 2 sounds to make a clap for example. Just load a sub-track and play/sequence 2 notes on the keyboard and you have your layers.
I think the video seems to suggest (and DT people tell me if I’m missing a trick) there are some specific editing/filter/eq type features that help them shape drum samples in a lot more detail which TV doens’t have. I have to admit I’m a bit basic here, so those features sound good in theory, but I’m not sure if I would use them in practice.
Yep totally. I was initially lukewarm about slices because the Elektron sequencer can do so much. But since this thing has enough juice to load full loops, it makes sense to be able to loop things up and chop them. I do this manually using subtracks which has its own charm, but now it feels like this is a must-add feature. Some have speculated it will never get it, others thing it will arrive in a year or two as it establishes itself.
I’ll try and keep OT but this is a place to discuss how TV compares to the other samplers in the Elektron range, so I think how it feels to play it is a fair question.
Specifically on the drums thing, something I find interesting is that on one leaked image, the sub-track is actually called “Drum” which says a lot about what it was intended to be. Maybe this is a bit like how OG DT had Kick, Hat, etc on the faceplate. I paired TV with Move recently (which the be fair to TV has auto loading drum kits) and it was an order of magnitude quicker to get a basic beat going, which really helped with the flow of things.
I’m pretty happy with the drums side of it, just as long as they fix the way loading sounds to sub tracks works. It’s really easy with a single sound but a massive pain with sub tracks because it spits you back out into the root folder every time. So as of today, it’s a bit clunky and slower than some other devices. But in terms of programming the drums it’s absolutely fine, unless you perhaps prefer the 2x8 grid on DTII.
Zooming out for a sec this is my current take. Initially I thought TV would be a one and only box. But I’m starting to see that it has a huge amount of utility. You can generate textures sure, but it’s also a place to finish a track with all the tools and fewer limitations on file sizes etc (4GB iir, which more than DT which holds less in RAM). Could even be a decent MIDI sequencer for Ableton or another DAW. Given how deep and complex it is, I’m now feeling like it may be best paired with devices with simpler workflows or quicker access to certain features you like/need, to keep things moving. I could see myself adding a non-Elektron mono sampler that slices, and maybe a synth, and that would be pretty comprehensive. Anything that exports audio stems (Polyend Tracker, some iPad apps) could pair nicely as you can just load that stuff onto the SD card. All that is to say as it stands I’m not sure TV is putting other devices out of a job, but it could be a really good device for playing multiple purposes in making a production.
Hope that’s a useful ramble on the TV in use. Just my take, so take it with a pinch as always.
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That’s a great explanation. I’m closer to buy one. Thanks for the detailed answer.
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During my initial evaluation of the TV, I envisioned it taking advange of a ST combo. You gain a good range of easily tweakable drums, monophonic synth voices and analog warmth, and give back to ST samples and polyphony.
That in my eyes could be a really nice balanced pairing as well as DT/DN is, just with a different flavour and workflow (keeping it confined in the realms of an all Elektron setup obviously)
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Tonverk is probably the best device Elektron ever has produced for sampled drums (not sampled drum loops), see my comment above for the reasons why.
That being said, TV might not be able to handle much more than drums if you really take it seriously, because you still need to use a dedicated track for each sound that uses dedicated effects or compressors, which will can eat up tracks pretty fast.
You should also be aware that if you want to use drum loops, TV can’t time-stretch or slice.
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Sounds like a plan. Mono synth and drums to get down quickly the track, then build the rest in Tonverk.
As someone who is doing this Tonverk first, I’d be interested if the language of the Tonverk translates back to other Elektrons. I know some have mentioned the workflow the other way being a bit jarring.
I’m thinking of going back to Polyend Tracker, which I initially had and sold. But to be honest, that thing spits out interesting loops and ideas for fun. Feed them into Tonverk, and have a poly synth alongside for a 2-piece playable rig. Should be fun if I can swing it.
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I think of it as more subjective than misleading
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The question this video presents is “can the subtracks in TV replace the DT when it comes to drums”. His conclusion is they can’t, but the question itself presents a misleading perspective, it’s too narrow to be of practical use, because there’s no need for a subtrack to replace an entire DT2.
I wish the guy would mentally zoom out a bit and see the bigger picture. Questions of practical relevance question might be “can TV replace DT when it comes to drums?”, or “can TV replace the DT when it comes to drums and still to other stuff that justifies the added expense?”
What he actually he demonstrates is a few issues with workflow, and the lack of EQ. These are valid points, but I dislike the framing.
Having worked with both machines, I can testify that when it comes to sampled drums, the actual results you can get with TV are miles beyond what you can even dream of with DT2. Even though the workflow is not perfect at the moment, and will naturally be a bit different from how you’d work with a DT2.
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It can’t replicate it, but can replace it if you’re ok without some features in favor of others.
My Digitakt has been quietly hibernating since the Tonverk arrived
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I own neither the DT2 or TV, but it strikes me that the processing and sound design/sculpting possibilities of the TV must be significantly wider than the DT2, even if there might be some differences when you view it through a narrow lens.
As someone who likes to capture/sample/resample all types of sounds, the TV is of interest to me, and that interest has made me revisit my Octatrack. Hence my interest in this thread…
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First, thanks all of you for discussing the drums on TV. It’s a very very interesting topic. I was thinking buy a digitakt 2, then TV came aut and now I’m sure that I will buy TV.
One question about super tracks and subtracks.
How sequencer works on subtracks? Are there 8 different sequencers for each subtrack? Or is it only one sequencer and you use sound locks for the 8 subtracks?
How it works on super tracks? Can you use sound locks on super tracks? I have a digfitone and you can use all the sample pool in all 4 tracks so I’m interested in that; using different multi samples In the same super track for example.
Thanks.
You have a dedicated sequencer with plocks (but not sound locks) for each sub track, and a sequencer with plocs for the super track, but the super track only has a few parameters (like effect sends, insert fx etc.)
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Fantastic comparison - thanks so much for putting it together. Happily, I learned a few things about the DT2 I hadn’t realised.
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Thank you. I’m reading the manual right now and there’s still something that’s not clear to me. (I I guess I know the answer).
I have an original digitone and model:samples.
In both you can put a different sound chosen from a sound pool in each step.
Now, in Tonverk, and speaking about super tracks…
Super tracks have presets. A preset can be a multi sample.
Imagine that I have a piano multi sample and bass synth multi sample.
Can I in the same pattern put on trigger 1 a piano multi sample and in trigger 6 for example the bass synth multi sample. If not… Can I put the piano multi sample on pattern 1 and the bass synth multi sample on pattern 2 each one loaded in track 1?
And reading a little more about super tracks (I have very clear about subtracks except if it can be pitched, I guess I’ll read it later in the manual) and reading too this post my idea is that you can get a long sample sliced with different sounds and use it on one single track, putting different slices on different triggers… Is that true?
Thanks, im sure that I’m missing some things reading the manual, it’s as cryptic to me as a Roland one heheh.
Thanks.
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Supertracks only exist for tracks running a Subtrack machine. Subtracks only run single samples per slot (8 slots).
Yes, but the multisamples would be in separate tracks within the same pattern. Each track running a Multisample machine.
Yes, I guess that’s possible, by p-locking the start and length. You can also p-lock the pitch.
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Thank you very much. I think I understand it. I appreciate a lot your answer.
So normal tracks (the 8 general tracks on Tonverk) can have a multi sample machine each one. My last question. Can you change the multi sample machine sound for each pattern (example, pattern 1: multi sample machine with a sample piano in track 1, pattern 2: another multi sample machine different from the pattern 1, in the same track…?
Again,thank you 