Ableton Live 12

I have both licenses - just hate the damn dark GUI of Bitwig and hope a light skin comes soonish (unless I missed it)

Yeah the mono thing is odd in Ableton - makes little sense to me to have workarounds

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Hi Nauts!

I’ve got a question as a non-Ableton user (yet) :

I have a Digitakt, Digitone & Dreadbox Typhon.

Would Live Intro be a good enough start to start fiddling with Overbridge or will i be too limited by the track limit in Live Intro?

Thx in advance!

Not sure where this has been missed or not covered by others, but Freeze & Flatten is one button now.

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Very very nice, looking forward to this.

That is long overdue!

Two and a half years since Live 11 launched, pretty acceptable timeframe to me.

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For anyone who wants an overview of the changes from 11 to 12:

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actually, this link has all of the current changes, not only the highlights:

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…meanwhile, i love bitwigs actually still kind of ā€œlimitedā€ skin colour options and run it as dark as possible…but that limitation will be just a question of time, i guess…

pretty positive, they’ll soon implement a few more switches to feel free to custumize the arranger/editor/grid backgrounds and one for fooling around with that orange main details colour…

when i left ableton behind, around suite 8, i was running live also in a blank black skin version…
and i was sooooo happy, when apple, google, this forum and whatnot started to offer dark theme options…

…around the same time i started to hate logics decision to fully comply to apple rules and become candy coloured all over the place…

but hey, what do i know about colours…i even run my iphone in plain black and white mode…

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this looks like a great one for recording external sources, it probably means that you can ditch the dual track setup for monitoring/recording:

A Keep Monitoring Latency in Recorded Audio option has been added to the right-click (Win) / CTRL-click (Mac) context menu of the Monitor radio buttons for each track. This option is enabled by default, but when unchecked, recordings will have the same latency as if recorded with monitoring set to Off, regardless of which monitoring mode is selected.

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I do find the last logic update and Ableton live 12 interesting. The last logic added enough to be a new version, but it was a free update and Ableton 12 went the other route route and took what could have been a big update or two and made it a single new thing. Though I don’t think it’s wrong, it’s interesting how fast they went with this and if these new versions are now every 1.5/2 years from here on out. Even the upgrade price feels like a lot this soon after 11. I think the more confusing thing is the lack of any push 3 features or at least lack of notes on push 3 features. The big thing with push 3 was standalone and I felt like the next Ableton at the time would really lean on on some new features for the non standalone push. But that doesn’t seem to be the case

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That’s great!

…no worries…this is the time to push the software…next time, it’s time to push push again…
of course all ā€œnewā€ midi tools will see their implementation to push3…next year around this time…

once they figured, how to loosen their functionalities from direct click handling only to a more universal solution…

that’s just this dead end mess u’ll end up, once u decided, ok from now on, we only add updates to our good old, once game changing core/concept, instead of truly implement them to the source in first place…
an endless workaround cycle becomes ur daily coding business…
it’s all not that much fun, once ur number one…

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the changes to the piano roll are great. rearranging the UI is super nice. lot’s of quality of life stuff. seems a pretty awesome update. addition of global tuning scales called ā€œScale Awarenessā€ is probably really awesome for people in places not using the 12 tone scale… and anyone who wants to make their own.

piano roll changes are huge really. .kinda caught up to FL Studio’s piano roll a bit. the editing stuff, generative, chord generation, new quantization stuff.

overall looks good imo… curious about all the new jamming stuff from 3rd party M4L devs.

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this video gets into the details. pretty exciting stuff.

word, i’m too old and too busy for these timescales. As far as I remember I’ve made about three tunes since 11 came out forty five minutes ago.

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I understand exactly what you mean and I’m a little disappointed.
But I always think about all the people who don’t have or don’t want a Push. For them, the last ten years (man, have I gotten old) have not been rosy. Balance is the magic word. But the direction is right. Look at the new browser or the new UI with the mixer in the arrangement view. That alone makes me so happy.

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They’re quite different but can cover some of the same ground. The fact that you can address different frequency bands or stack them/use multiple instances is super flexible for sound design. I’ve tried a few things with it and it can subtle and more processing/colourisation nicely.
I’m hoping for new FX updates though for my heat+fx as other than live stuff, it’s been getting less use recently with Roar.

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you will run out of tracks with just the separate tracks from one of the DT or DN.
BUT…

I dunno, you could just take the stereo from each and the Dreadbox out and it’s still fun.

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thx for the reply!

i’m very confused by the ā€œ16 audio/MIDI track limitā€

it’s not like i can record the 8 digitakt tracks, 4 Digitone tracks & typhon track using Overbridge ?

I’m contemplating getting the AHFX for the tactile experience, but I have to admit it’s harder to justify when most of it can be emulated in Live and more (order of drive/filter/shelves, serial/parallel chains, as many LFOs and Envelopes as one wants, etc).

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new solution sounds promising

but I’m fine with my solution I’m using since years:

monitoring on track is off but happens through a ā€œexternal effectā€
once I recorded I switch the external effect off (wich is mapped to a controller key)

that works totally reliable and easy to use