Yeah maybe, I just can’t find it.
I was thinking about getting a Push 2 but if I don’t solve this I think I’ll have to live with it or use Bitwig (damn, I just loved the Push when I tried it).
I have a Push 2 and it works flawlessly.
What is your latency in Ableton live (preference panel)?
You can try the Driver Error Compensation:
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000234830-Driver-Error-Compensation-FAQ
I can’t check the latency now, but since it’s happening on playback it won’t affect, right?
I supposed that the latency was compensated delaying the playback (as Link works) to keep sync between audio and GUI.
Thanks everyone for your help!
Another beta with many more MPE updates for existing devices and general ‘stuff’. Surely Ableton is making another bit of hardware - this level of MPE development makes little sense otherwise, given the current size of the market.
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I predict it will be a thin clamshell design, with a 13 or 15 inch screen in the upper part. The lower half will have a series of keys and possibly a trackpad-like area for moving the cursor around and clicking your selections.
The whole thing will fold closed protecting the screen & keys. It will be battery powered and have Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and a couple USB-C ports for updating and connectivity.
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You had me there for a minute! 
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They also seem to be pushing M4L again, a bit more:
maybe they are working on a box to complement push, not replace it, that can run M4L devices and talk to the outside world
…oh how i dream
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I probably have a misunderstanding of MPE. My understanding is that MPE is polyphonic aftertouch as the main feature. Certain other controllers (Osmose, Linnstrument, Roli Seaboard), also use polyphonic pitch bend so more degrees of freedom.
Aside from polyphonic aftertouch, which the Push2 has, the other controllers are very niche. I just don’t understand what the Push2 lacks that makes another Ableton brand controller so very inevitable. Maybe USB-C support for more input power? I just don’t see the upside of Ableton competing in the hardware controller space. Their existing controller is still great.
Rather I think they are just strengthening their own software ecosystem so people will be less drawn to third party plugins that they can take to another DAW.
Max can already do that? With RNBO you can export to Raspberry Pi etc and even as VSTS!
Very true, but a similar argument could be made for the Push, other controllers can do something similar, and it is the integration with live that is the strongest sell, as least for me. I’m after a hardware device that can be tightly integrated into Ableton, run M4L, and has the flexibility to be standalone connected to Eurorack.
I feel I could build something with the Pi and so on, but it is unlikely I can find the time and resources do as good as job as Ableton. Mostly my concern would be around longevity, Push has its downsides, but overall I really like it and I’ve been pleased with how they have continued to support and develop it, particularly with respect to integration with live.
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I would love a device like this! I hope they make it. Would pay up to 600 for it, but if more, it’s not worth it.
Push 2s MPE qualities are a million miles away from a proper MPE controller in my experience. This is crude but is like racing your average family car against an F1 car on a circuit. The F1 car is just better suited for it.
There’s plenty of scope for a new Push that’d really engage with all MPE brings. Fingers crossed Ableton do go down this route!
Sorry, was meant to reply to @peaceful there!
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Yea the P2 pads are not good for playing poly AT. It only offers one sensitivity setting for both velocity and AT so there’s no way to tweak them separately. Pretty limited and not a good playing experience. The pads are good for velocity playing and firing clips only, ime.
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My god please do not tempt me. Honestly M4L is unreal powerful. I can’t imagine having one controller and a laptop that can run ableton AND M4L plugins.
The standalone Ableton machine is my dream as well. One piece of hardware I would plunk serious coin on, if it was knobby and hands on like a Push.
And then of course you could just save and inmport the session into the laptop if you needed to. God that would rule…anyway, I am done dreaming.
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Yep, I would be ok with less pads but more quality ones.
On a much more mundane Ableton topic…
Is there any way to make the automation view default to something normal like track volume, or at least filter out all the stuff that clutters up the menu?
It just seems faintly ridiculous that it defaults to some plugin parameter like oscillator waveform, and must first be changed from plugin scope to channel scope, and then from channel on/off (who even automates that?) to volume, on every new track.
The key of MPE is that it is polyphonic after touch and polyphonic pitch bend… so every bend/aftertouch is per note, and only affects that note, rather than the entire set of notes going on. But you probably knew that, I’m just expanding on it.
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My basic observation is Push is perfect for clip launching, beat making, and the Linstrument is the ideal MPE interface to some. But not ideal for beat making.
It’s difficult for me to imagine Push 3 with pads great for both, but maybe Ableton has cracked the code already.
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Can you be specific? No, Push2 doesn’t have polyphonic pitch bend. But its poly aftertouch seems fine to me. What is wrong with it? What other controllers are you talking about? Aside from pitch bend, what do they do better?
What do you envisage they do? Surely they would release something that is a DAW controller first and foremost. How would you improve the Push2 with MPE capabilities? Would those ways make it worse for DAW control?