Ableton Live 11

  1. Sensitivity and control. Push pads are fine, I mostly enjoy playing mine but they don’t offer anything near the expression of, say, a Linnstrument or even a Roli Rise. The expression feels a little stiff/lacking No matter how it’s set up.

  2. I’d like to see a continuous surface on Push 3. Like a Linnstruments. Failing that, I’d like each pad to give the exclusive feel that my Osmose manages. In a way, be Osmose might be closest to what a MPE Push would actually be with no true/smooth slides between notes but lots of options to achieve an expressive performance approach to suit.

I don’t think Ableton will go the Linnstrument route as it may turn off the non MPE crowd seeing what would look like one large lad. I’m sure finger drummer would complain. But significantly improving the sensitivity and expression of the current 64 pads would be huge.

Even if none of this happens, I’d just like a Push that’s lighter and slimmer!

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Unless I’m misunderstanding quite what you want to do, if you click on the control you want to automate first, it will be reflected in the automation window. You can then draw that parameter without needing choose it from from the menu.

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I’m thinking Linnstrument. Of all the mpe controllers I’ve tried, that was the most engaging, and the concept for the layout is pretty much the same.

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You are doing something wrong it sounds like. But when you switch to automation view all you have to do is click on whatever you want to automate. So click on the fader for example and it will automatically switch to that. Or click on a knob on the auto filter and it will switch to that.

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It defaults to whatever you selected last. Is a pretty efficient, hassle-free way of doing this IMO, especially compared to setting up automation in pro tools.

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I automate channel on/off all the time. Pretty sweet.

Slightly embarrassing that I never figured this out myself, but that is exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

I’m actually working on a track right now where I automate the track volume from full to a hard negative-infinity. I presume this would have the same effect as automating on/off, but is there a difference in practice?

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Ha! Don’t be embarrassed, it was a fairly recent discovery for me too :grinning:

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As an aside, I’ve learned that it’s better to put a Utility on the track and automate the gain on that rather than the track volume directly - that way you can still use the track volume to adjust the mix level without having to redo your automation

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I at least find it easier because the automation for channel is binary. Less clunky in my experience, but by now it’s just something I’ve gotten used to. Probably other stuff I don’t really think about anymore also

Best practice imho, save a bunch of time when you’re trying to get a track over the finish line👍

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I would even advice to save the default track with a utility device already loaded.

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Oooh that is smart! I didn’t even know you could save a default track

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Yes! The trick with the utility is :chef’s kiss:.

I’ll need to look into this default track? My approach is to save a default template with a couple of audio and midi tracks, each with an Eq8 highpass, “gentle squeeze” compressor preset and a utility device.

I just clone these tracks when I need a new one, or copy/paste the effects.

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Oh, and set the default levels to -9 dB. Makes mixing a lot easier if you ensure there’s room to boost the signal before getting into mixing.

Learned this one from @DaveMech I’m pretty sure.

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Turns out you just right click on the header of the track in session view and you can “save as default audio/midi track” :ok_hand:

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Yeah the Utility mixing move is a must for me. It is the only way to really control your mix levels. Once you get automation down in ableton, it’s so damn simple. Add in all the crazy modulations and things you can do with the stock plugins and it honestly just makes my hardware collect dust now.

But I still love the hardware I have because sometimes I want to do something simple away from the screen. That has just been less and less lately. The main reason I like to use hardware now is for making samples that I then import into Ableton and go to town on.

I’d really love a new Push though. That would be quite exciting. Interested in what Ableton’s plan is with all these MPE additions.

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So the common way to go is to automate the utility gain and mix with the faders? Or the other way around?

I’m figuring out what’s the best option for me, as I use a motorised fader controller that’s dedicated to the fader control (mackie protocol)…

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Yes, automate the utility gain. Then mix with the volume faders.

This is for Logic Pro, but same concept applies to Ableton: https://youtu.be/-31Ga060-fg

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I did some tutorials ahead of picking up Ableton, and this concept of throwing a utility for volume changes came up a lot. I guess if you do it with track volume, the volume changes is somewhat “hard coded” into your mix, which means more work if you want to make a small change. But if you are at say -2db and you want to bring the part up 1db for a verse, you just make the whole track -2db on the track, and then bring Utility gain up +1 for that bit. I guess the idea (as in all mixing) is to make the big move (eg: overall track volume) with the faders and then make smaller moves (eg: slight changes w/gain) with automation.

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