A4 mk2/ hearing lfo modulations even with depth set to 0

Please File a bug with Support

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OK, I submitted a ticket.

For now I’ve found it easiest to route the LFO destination to ‘meta: none’

definitely a good thing that you post this to the support! hope they will solve that …
please let us know what they reply.

regarding your “meta: none” solutions:
this will only work for static parameter settings where one of the 2 destinations of a lfo is not needed.
but lets say you want to do fm with dynamically decreasing modindex. you could use an env or lfo2 to modulate the depth of lfo1( from lets say + 63 down to 0). here the depth (modulation index) will never make the the whole transition down to 0. at least thats what i experienced.

Also check your envelope destinations - they could be targeting the LFOs

I managed to reproduce this.
And I believe the same problem occurs with envelopes.

Btw there is no negative value for depth.
Used to be, no ?

I reported similar on my AK (on this forum). Only which which cleared it, was a reboot.

you mean when env modulating lfo depth it wouldn’t really come down to zero as well?
thanks, j

Nope, I believe that even when env depth is set to zero there’s a little something left…

…and in my case, a reboot cleared whatever it was, after a lot of tweaking various parameters to isolate it.

ah i see and i can confirm this for both envs on my a4 mk2.

tried this by using a short and fast sequence with a lot of notes. in the env section i turned the env depth knob while holding fn to set it to zero. than while playing the sequence i changed the destination of the env and i noticed some subtle changes in sound mostly noticeable as detuning in pitch.

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thanks for referring to the ak thread.
for me the problem is 100% reproducable and occurs also in fresh projects, so i think there is no need to reboot…
beside that it should be “clean” anyway, no matter if its a new project or a already edited project. in my eyes, (env or lfo) depth is the wrong place to cut corners.

did what I suggest work though - i.e. is there any difference in the display when the exact zero is found - there is on MK1 and if done without Fn it requires a very very delicate touch

is it actually at its nominal 0.0 or does it just look like it is ?

ps iirc the negative symbol is not shown (UI space) so left of 0 is negative

thanks for that @avantronica! no it seems that on the a4 mk2 pressing func + dialling the depth encoder dont set the parameter to true zero.
when i clear the lfo settings than depth shows up a “(0)”. the func + dial enc method only shows 0 and introduces slight modulations.
but as you said, with a lot of “finetuning” i was able to set lfo depth to 0 (without braces ) and find a spot where modulations where no longer noticable. so 0 seems to be bigger range than i thought.

@Elektron is there a shortcut to set depth true 0 on the a4 mk2?

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This isn’t a recommended way to get official support and in all likelihood this unmonitored ‘news’ account may not see the post

Best ask support or MK2 users here - also look at the manual section on encoder acceleration / snapping etc for newer tips


My suspicion always was that this was a 14bit thing - clearly there’s an oversight in these ‘snap’ values (or it’s in the manual by another method - mk2 uses different encoders)

My suggestion is to go extreme left with the encoder pushed and then keep pushing and it may stick to integer values and land on 0

True Zero will definitely be (0) - so you need to finesse your fine tuning - it’s delicate work even on MK1 so it’s likely to be trickier on MK2

but try full left or right then press to do what happens on MK1 - you skip through bigger steps

only from left or from the right will work due to the distribution of the 14bit depth - not sure which (try left first and see if it snaps to 0

Clearly this will get fixed - it’s an essential shortcut

as another workaround you could send An NRPN message (maybe even just a CC) from your DAW (or whatever) to centre it until the firmware is sorted

I’d make an official report, but haven’t been able to reproduce, so I don’t know what steps I took to trigger this problem in the first place. :frowning:

Update from Elektron support:

Thanks for reporting. This is a known but nasty bug. It has been reported to the developers and will hopefully be fixed with the next update.

:slight_smile:

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Sorry if there’s already a thread about bugs but I can’t find one. Got the MK2 a couple of days ago and noticing a few bugs, mainly parameters being affected even when their value is set to zero e.g right now I’m having the issue with the lfo, the amount is set to zero but it’s still affecting the sound, I’ve encountered the same thing with effects sends.

I’m sure I seen someone else post about this issue but can’t seem to find the post.

Anyone else having such issues?

Wrt the LFO: are you sure it’s set to 0, i.e. did you hold Func while turning the knob? Otherwise it might be set to a value less than 1 and greater than 0 which also is displayed as 0.

apparently it doesn’t work yet on MK2s

anytime the envelopes or lfo’s are set to modulate anything, i still get slight modulation even with it set to zero. i’ve noticed there is a range of effect between 0 and 1 on the encoders, most noticable when set to with OSC pitch as a destination. with some extremely delicate fiddling i can occasionally find the true zero setting which is shown as “(0)”. this seems weird and extremely hard to get to with the encoders. is this by design, or a bug? not very intuitive. i spent an hour trying to chase this down thru the many pages of modulation. try it yourself, turn on both osc tuned to same pitch, and put any OSC pitch as a destination on ENV or LFO. turn it up then set it back to zero. then turn the destination knob back to meta:none. you will hear a clear difference. strange that it would be so fiddly.