Xone PX5 - Most underrated mixer? (review & tutorial)

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SEND 1 & SEND 2 Controls
Control the levels of channel audio sent to external effects
hardware connected via rear panel SND1 and SND2 outputs.
SEND 1 is switchable pre/post-FADER and also routes audio
to internal soundcard inputs USB 9/10
SEND 2 is fixed post-FADER, with switched option for routing
audio to internal soundcard inputs USB 11/12. See p.23

That means, if i would set send to usb2 connected with an ipad - i would have to output that signal to one of the line in channels? Can AUM also record channels ? Yes it seems -hmmm…

Do i need to rebuy the fabfilter stuff ? I already have pro Q3, would that also work as insert for the master out ? I.e. L2 ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk4HoyrgZOQ

#9

This is the ticket right here. So you can use it like I am on the PX5. I’m just not sure how the dual soundcard feature works on the Xone:96. If you can have one send go to one soundcard and the second send go to the other. Then you can split the sends between iPads.

The Fab Filter stuff on iPad is a separate purchase. There’s a bundle for a very very reasonable price ( sub $100 I think?) that gives you L2 C2 Q3 MB2 G2 and DS? It’s the full mix bundle(?) that you can get in VST. They’re the equal of their VST counterparts.

There’s no way to achieve this that I’m aware of. Unless there’s a way to use mix busses creatively in AUM and use one of the aux channels as a return but the routing would be bulky and would likely cripple some of the functionality of using a DJ mixer as AUM would be doing all the channel mixing and the Xone:96 would just be a fancy soundcard at that point.

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#10

If i understand this AUM thing - it could route the signal via a bus to another input - that means if if for example would use it limiter, and route that to some usb input of the mixer, i would have that compressed signal at that input. That is what the linked video shows. Which latency could i expect on an ipad i.e. buffer size when used as usb interface? I think on the plus side is for sure the portability of the ipad, and it does have a screen. A mac mini would require a screen on its own and is also more expensive - but i could reuse the licenses i purchased.

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#11

AUM, I believe, is short for ‘Audio Mixer’. It lets you create virtual channels that can take a soundcard channel as input (or host an AUv3 or IAA app as the input at the top level), apply effects, then select the output. The output can be any of the available channels on the soundcard or to another mix bus in AUM (and subsequently off to a soundcard channel).

You can set either channels 9/10 or 11/12 (or both) on the Xone:96 to ‘FX Send’. Set a channel in AUM to receive audio from 9/10. Add a limiter then send it back to 9/10 which is AUX channel A (you can route this to any of the channels on the mixer if you like).

As for latency, I don’t see any way to measure latency within AUM itself but on my iPad Pro (2018) I was running the above outlined routing and effects chains with a 64 sample buffer at 48KHz/24 bit. It was imperceptible and used only %20 DSP as reported by AUM.

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#12

I’m interested in latency as well, but more for the dual USB.
Right now i’m getting about 8ms @ 256buffer/44.1 with an 828es (roundtrip) between a master ipad on USB and an additional ipads on the adat ports.

Being that I’m in D4ydream’s boat, and even with 15 channels in AUM, the ipad isn’t breaking a sweat. No sense in upping the latency for some hardware routing and just keep everything internal on the ipad bus sends and just adding a k2 (or 2) into the setup.

#13

Theres apps to measure latency:

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Glue Compressor Hardware solution
#14

Nice! Purchased. I can do some measurements later this evening. Just jamming out over my lunch break here. I fully setup the PX5 yesterday. Wasn’t doing the full routing for my show that I’m going to be using. Currently auditioning onboard effects so no iPad in the loop at the moment.

I’ll connect it this evening and report back some RTL metrics. Keeping in mind that I’m only processing audio and not hosting any synths. At best, I’d be hosting Mononoke on top of what I listed in my first post. I have a decent amount of kit to manage right now and don’t want to over complicate things :slight_smile:

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#15

I host the sound sources on 1 ipad and use the the others as effects units such as yourself. So essentially, I’d be having 1 ipad on the USB1, and the 2nd on 2 for the sends hosting a variety of effects/manglers.

My setup w/ the 828es was an attempt to see how mixerless would work out for me, but it doesn’t LOL. And i’m getting tired of building custom controllers for AUM. (I just wanted to build a couple controllers to do things that off the shelf controllers can’t do in iOS…not start a new career in electrical engineering…)

Reality is, I think I just gotta bite the bullet and suck up the price gouging of DJ mixers and try it out.

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#16

How did that latency app work out for you? I need something similar but $10 feels steep when there are zero reviews to scope out.

#17

I picked it up but couldn’t get it so work. I think I was a bit pressed for time so didn’t pursue it further but I can certainly look again when I’m at home.

Edit: The latency app requires that I loopback the audio. Just haven’t had time to do so.

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#18

Anyone used this in a setup mixing Ableton and say an Octatrack - is it able to stay in sync?

#19

I think you’ve sold me on the PX5. Once the Rytm arrives this will “complete” my setup. Can’t get over the size of them though.

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#20

Awesome :slight_smile: enjoy the new machines!

#21

I just bought mine PX5, Octatrack and Lyra8. I need help setting up. Lol. cables here and there and everywhere. What did I get myself into? can’t wait to get it all running. I couldn’t afford 96. Too much power and things I didn’t need too. Thank you in advance. This is gonna be a good loooooong weekend.

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#22

I think Dave sold a lot of people the PX5 :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I love it so far!

Using it for both timecode + real vinyl dj sets and live sets with my TR-8S, MC-707, Typhon and Doctor A :slight_smile: and will experiment some more doing hybrid vinyl/gear sets :slight_smile:

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#23

Wakey wakey zombie thread.

does the px5 have the latching cue like the 96?

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#24

Yeap :+1:

#25

Any reason you stopped using your px5 for the 96?
You seemed pretty happy with it originally.

#26

I got is as a lone from xone so I had to return it.
I do like it very much though. But the db4 suits better to what I do live.

The xone 96 on the other hand is for a different type op live setup. And here I need 2 send returns so here the 96 has the upper hand. You can use headphone out as another send but in this case I like to play with the send volume.

Honestly all three are great in their own way. Just have to figure out what you need and choose accordingly.

#27

I figured it would have been the sends for you :wink:
That or it’s slightly easier to put on a rider
(although both the px5 and the 96 get you that same eye roll that basically says ‘can’t you just use the 92 already there? Jeeez’)

Thanks for the info!

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