I think the new reverbs in TV actually sound really good and more than efficient but a high end reverb will make the TV really shine using it’s individual outputs
TV owner here. I don’t think so since they treat composing differently. Elektron devices create patterns and then plays them in some order that you want. The MPC has a visual timeline with each track as rows which enables you to work with audio clips and move them around independent of patterns. I think that’s an advantage for the MPC but still stick with the Tonverk since I find Elektrons UI to be far superior and TV speaks to my way of thinking.
Basic reverbs in ableton, Bitwig or some other DAW’s can be made very simple so you can stack them and make busy FX chains. That’s a slow process so just use the device presets and go from there.
That’s crazy because I remember when everyone was blown away by the reverb in the new digitakt, and the mpc reverb was terrible… for like ten years after that mpc was always behind everyone… now it is the opposite… I like the elektron reverb though! I think it is very beautiful!
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I actually like the reverbs in TV, but I hear what you’re saying. I’m excited in a general sort of way for any and all FX Elektron keep adding to the TV, as well as refining the current ones
I really like the TV reverbs but I feel as with everything on the Tonverk: A little goes a long way. And I use the shelving filters on the send tracks a lot to get rid of nasty frequency build ups.
I do agree that Raum is amazing though. It’s one of my go to verbs in Ableton.
personally I prefer to use external dedicated reverb and delay boxes. Once I bought Strymon and Eventide FX boxes, I was sold. Delay and reverb is ok in Octatrack and Analog 4 but does not even come close to Strymon or Eventide dedicated effects boxes. Probably why stuff like Erica Synths, Oto, and Meris FX boxes still sell well today for guitar and synth musicians.
well yeah. the reverbs on the octatrack are dreadful. and the A4 isn’t much better. But the Tonverk has a lot more dsp and could easily run an Eventide or Strymon quality algorithm. Heck they could port Valhalla if they wanted. It is just a computer running linux and the only real constraint is the quality of the dsp programming.
The fx are what initially sold me on the TV, or the potential, but in practice I found them severely lacking, for my personal taste. I loved the grainer and wavetable engines, but the browsing also got old to me. I do feel I may find myself with a DN2 sooner than later, though.
I would love it so much if MPC got a really good granular synth, and I feel like that’s just inevitable at this point. They have an amazing wavetable/VA engine now in key groups, as some have pointed out, it’s very similar to hydrasynth in capability. Give me a granular synth like grainer or tempura and I’ll be a happy camper.
Tbh I think that’s still the case. Stock reverbs in Elektron machines are bloody great, even the old ones.
The basic MPC reverb is horrible.
Ether isn’t really a ‘reverb’, it’s an effect that has a reverb as part of it but it’s kind of like combining 3-4 TV effects into one - isolating the reverb itself it’s not particularly standout.
MPC does now have ‘reverb pro’ but I haven’t personally used that, I’m assuming it’s decent but I don’t know if any better than an Elektron reverb.
Very much disagree with this tbh. The workhorse reverbs are fine and useful for all kinds of sound design, and Dark Reverb sounds great to me ears. A4 reverb is there to give the synth space and it does that very well, the AR reverb is also perfect for the job.
Sure none of the Elektron reverbs are like Valhalla Supermassive or Strymon Night Sky but tbh I find those to be of limited use in 95% of scenarios anyway unless you’re making single track ambient stuff. The Elektron reverbs are made for sitting in a mix and doing the job of a reverb. With boxes like the elektrons you run the risk of over complicating them with this stuff - they like to cover lots of sweet spots rather than letting you get lost in configuration-hell.
I think the Elektron reverbs are OK but not stellar. Tonverk is a step up from DT/ST/DN with a choice of different reverb algos, and for the first time (IMO) I feel like I can get a good and convincing room reverb out of an Elektron box. I can also get a washy dark ambient reverb (with lots of LPF) that works OK in a mix.
But a bright, full spectrum, long, deep reverb that is exposed in a mix (eg playing a single track solo into a long reverb)? No. Not convinced, personally. This exists on other machines (eg Novation Peak) but isn’t quite there on an Elektron box, Tonverk included (IMO).
That said… the Tonverk has a superpower… two pairs of assignable outputs (C-D and E-F) alongside the main outs, each of which can be routed from an FX Send.
This is brilliant. I have a Roland MD500 on one Send (I love the Dimension D effect and much prefer it to the stock Elektron Chorus) and I’ll be adding an Erica Synths Nightverb to the other Send. At which point the Tonverk really will become the perfect multi-FX multitrack sampler and synth beast, for me.
And of course, the Outbox (if/when it comes to Tonverk) will open up even more external FX routing possibilities, which can only ever be a good thing.
But that’s because the Peak is a synth, not a multi-track groovebox/environment.
Even the A4 (which is the closest equivalent) is designed to be a 4 part instrument - so it makes less sense to have these kinds of things in the box itself.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not going to complain if we get more reverbs! But I think that Elektron (sensibly) focus on broad-sweetspot reverbs that you’d use as a send effect - rather than big washy reverbs you’d have as part of an individual synth effects chain.
And maybe we could get something like that on the TV, but I already don’t like that you have to split track effects with send effects for hardware management - this is a problem with the MPC too - pretty sure you can only have like 4 instances of the Reverb Pro - just becomes extra stuff to manage - I don’t want to be thinking about that shiz. Managing resources is a creativity killer.
