Unusual Dub Techno

Just want to say.
Loving this discussion.
So many tracks from open minded people what makes me feel in other dimension.
I just joined Elektronauts few months ago and I’m feeling home.
Thank you everyone! :slightly_smiling_face::sparkles:

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:innocent: @jason_so_ny

Welcome @Narti

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I’m glad!
Yeah, it’s probably the best online forum imo for discussing electronic music gear and electronic music. There have still been some negative discussions here and there, I’ve noticed. But the moderators seems do a good job :slight_smile:

I like 2nd track best

Again, 2nd track :slight_smile:

Yep! 2nd one again :laughing:

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The 2nd track is a good example of that weird deep tech house with a dubby vibe to it that I mentioned. But the 1st and 3rd tracks are definetly the stars. Especially the 3rd is an exploded version of the 1st. But overall this is a release where every track is great in its own way :slight_smile:

The usual dub techno vibe, but still a great atypical track in that regard

Not so much dub mixing, and the delays are used more as a 2nd stab, with the feedback set low and lp’ed slightly. Something I would do in Ableton myself actually to add rythmic interest.
Edit:
Could also be a delay pitchshifted down :thinking:

But yeah it’s more detroit-ish, but yet still gives associations to dub techno. Would be nice in a dj set to dub delay and reverb over yourself to personalize it more :slight_smile:

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Again as the other Alden Tyrell release, this is more of a detroit-ish sound with some dub techno vibe to it. Not so much usual dubmixing. But you can hear on both releases that the stabs and the delays over time changes in relation to eachother, which is just great techno production, but the artist might have made the changes live. Maybe even used faders on a mixer to change the volume of the delayed and dry signal together with filter changes. Could also just be automated very well :slight_smile:

Again, the typical type of dub techno, but one of the more interesting ones

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Despite being great tracks, I believe they belong to the other thread.

Let’s stay focused, or let’s merge the threads.

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I highly recommend this recent release from Logos called North Vol.01

A more stripped back, minimal sound to his previous stuff. It sits in an SND, Porter Ricks, Pan Sonic, Sleep Archive space.

Also done almost entirely on the Nord Modular G1. The tape is great, so grab that if you can.

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I just listened to the music posted in the other thread, and while there’re a few good and great tracks posted, actually most of them bored me :sweat_smile:

I actually think that it would make it more focused for the very critical listener, who’s trying to weed out the great or best, to keep them seperate. We all have different tastes of course. And this is exactly why I think i’ts important.
Personally I got mentally tired and unmotivated to try and go through everything in that thread.
To be fair, I have an attention deficit disorder, so it might not bother most others as much. Though many artists are extra sensitive in some degree, disorder or not.

But maybe others who are posting in this thread thinks that it would be great to merge, I don’t know :man_shrugging:

On my phone the webpage had an annoying behavior so everytime I had open the tab further down for listening, almost straight after, I would be returned to the top. So when I scrolled back down, the tab would be closed. I managed to hit record for the 1st track. It sounded interesting, but a little to glitchy for my personal taste. But maybe others might like it :slight_smile:

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I don’t think it’s a matter of taste. There’s just nothing “unusual” about these tracks. They practically define the genre.

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I don’t agree with most of these tracks not being unusual in terms of what most so-called dub techno sounds like and what I’d consider boring :slight_smile:
Surely for the ones who have listened to dub techno for years, it might not be unusual, because you’ll listen to more and more, and automatically weed out the stuff you like the best, and stop listening to the stuff that bores you.
I don’t know if you meant the tracks or the artists who made the posted tracks being the ones who defines the genre. But to me it’s about the tracks. And every variation that happens here and there to a genre will define it over time. Both the boring and the great stuff. But what’s boring for some might be great for others and vise versa.

Unusual is also a relative term, because it depends on what the individual listener focuses on as being the unusual part.

I’m pretty sure that the tracks I posted, shows the different degrees of unusual and diversity in the genre, and that they steer somewhat away for what I think most listeners would consider usual dub techno tracks.
I know that unusual doesn’t mean great. But to me it’s not enough for it to be unusual, if it doesn’t sound great. And again most of what’s posted in here seems to steer away from most of the stuff posted in the other thread. Again showing the diversity in the genre and in the individuals personal taste and view.
Plus most music in any genre will be boring (maybe not when starting out listening) and therefore the great sounding will also be included as being the unusual ones, since it’s not in the catagory of the most that don’t sound great. Then there’s the unusual in terms of sound, which don’t mean that the track will sound great. But what is it that makes a great track stand out from the rest? It can be the quality of the sounds, the rythm, the tones, the variations, the mixing etc. But often there will also be these small differences in the sounds, in contrast to other tracks, that can make the track sound unusual in a more subtle way.
It really depends on what angle you choose to look at :slight_smile:

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btw, innovation and unusual are not the same thing. Yes innovation belongs under unusual (at first. Over time it can become usual). But unusual doesn’t belong under innovation.

For instance, older tracks from Oscar Mulero, Pole, Basic Channel (and aliases) and Vladislav Delay does still sound unusual to the majority of dub techno. Even though they’re well known artists that have defined the genre with their tracks, I still don’t hear the majority of dub techno having the same sound.

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Unfortunate behaviour that.
I’d recommend listening past the first track, when it works, it’s probably the most different from the rest. There are some more groove based ones.

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Of course, sure :blush:

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I tried to find somewhere else that might have a better player for ya but no luck.

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So, I just realised that I mixed Roger Gerressen and Steve O’sullivan together hahaha :laughing: But they do both make some stuff with a similar vibe in terms of groove, tempo and atmosphere.
Steve O’sullivan have released a lot of very dubby stuff under the project alias ‘Bluetrain’ (which is also the name of a sublabel of his. Ben Sims is a coproducer of ‘Where’s Burt?’ For instance).

Good overall example of that sound:

Under another alias ‘The Wise Caucasian’ he made this very groovy track. Very dubby as with Bluetrain stuff.

He has released music since the mid 90’s under different aliases and styles. Some more housy and some more techno’y. I managed to find a dub techno one. :slight_smile:

Here’s an article/interview of him for anyone interested. He also mentions some of his gear. A couple of Elektron devices in there :wink:

Here is a couple of dub remixes of Silverlining’s ‘Pearl Divers’. I could only manage to find 2 minute snippets in not the best quality. You can easily find the full track of the original on YouTube and Beatport, which is also a banger. And even though the original is not dub techno, but more sort of deep techno or maybe very early deep progressive house (I’m not sure :sweat_smile:) I’m gonna post it here to show where the other 2 comes from, also so that you guys don’t have to search for it yourselves.

Listen to Silverlining - Pearl Divers (Stardub Remix) by Ark to Ashes on #SoundCloud

Listen to Silverlining - Pearl Divers (Matt Star Remix) by Ark to Ashes on #SoundCloud

So in terms of style, the next ones I’ll post are of the more usual kind. But they do stand out as being amongst the best in that category. Making them unusual in that regard imo. They are very well-produced :slight_smile:

So, if you look past the very usual main chord stab and minimalistic drums in this particular track, there’re these few other elements in there making it stand out from the crowd while still blending in imo :point_down: :slight_smile:

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(time to take a break? be interesting to hear from more than one person)

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Yep, that was actually my last post. It’s out of the system :slight_smile: But me posting, doesn’t stop others from doing so as well, does it? Or is actually being demotivating? Legit questions actually. Because on one end, yes it seems a little over the top, but I don’t see the actual problem. But on the other end, I don’t want to be an actual bother to others either :grimacing:

I like that saying “I would have written a shorter letter if I had more time”

(Too many posts = you swamp the thread with your taste, this forum seems great for its diversity, lets encourage it!)

back on topic, I love Japanese dub techno artist Altone

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