Thank you guys for helping out an old man this morning. 
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the devlog is from 28/06/2024
I canāt say I appreciate all that vagueness in the devlog, is āvery, very soonā longer than āa couple of weeksā?
My guess is if MIDI sync was ready to ship and theyād just postponed the release until everyone is back from holidays (as any sane person would do), they would have said so. So I expect it around the end of August.
And while I understand why they wonāt commit to a specific date, I just hate teasers like āwe will return very, very soon with more exciting updates and newsā Publish a roadmap, FFS, and donāt tease mysterious things.
Thanks for posting that here.
Having to fish out bits of relevant information from the vast sea of unstructured discussions in Discord is not my favorite passtime, so I stopped going there. And I canāt understand why anyone would choose Discord over Discourse for building a community 
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Seems like a fair number of people are happy with the S4 thus far but Iām not really one of those people. I totally agree with everything youāve said, there has a been a ridiculous amount of over promising and under delivering from the word go and not sure theyāve stuck to a target yet for a release on anything S4 related. Itās crazy to announce a product with a feature set, release it without those features and expect everyone to be ok with āpromisingā to have all said features by the end of the year.
Iām often in the camp of those who feel like there is vast potential in the S4 but I honestly feel at times that the whole thing could just burn to the ground at any moment.
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I agree - itās been a hugely disappointing product launch. The S4 has potential but when will that be realised? 2025?
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I gonna wait buy my s4 next year a basic feature like midi sync is nowhere yet.
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I personally think Torso has proved they will build something great here over time. People shouldnāt buy it if they expect it to work perfectly. The S4 is a beta device.
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Anyone has an example of using it as a looper please ? Record, overdubs and stuffs ?
I woulsd like to know whatās already possible in that department.
Thanks a lot.
No midi/clock-sync yet. I doubt anybodyās using it that way atm 
Any idea how to get projects that fail to load working. Starting to get annoyingā¦
Update:
And now I can not save any projects at all.
Hate to direct you there, but Discord is probably the better place for all bug related questions 
Yeah thanks, Iām already there 
Iām doing some looping on the S4 but since midi clock isnāt working I can only get it to half work. Meaning pressing play on the S4 after I started the clock on the OT, as I use as master clock.
I guess that the full possible potential for looping will only flourish after midi clock has been implemented
I like it a lot but patience is wearing thin now when projects fail to load that I really wanted to sample/use, They are gone. And now I can not even save anything anymore. On top of that I can not figure out how to (factory) reset it (maybe just me not understanding howā¦)
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I use it as an asynchronous looper and really like it.
Use it for a lot of ambient/textural loops but also for beat driven stuff.
Given that it canāt be midi synced at the moment does make it a bit weird with beats but what Iāve been doing is using it to catch 4 different loops/patterns from my Octatrack. And from the mixer page Iāll just do mute change ups to go between the different loops.
Obviously no cue system or anyway to know if the loops will sync up. But itās kind of choppy and disjointed and even when we have midi sync Iāll probably still use it like that at times.
Also just modulating the start/end/rotate parameters has been the closing thing Iāve seen to using a make noise morphagene in hardware. Really cool for glitch type music and for sample food for the ocratrack.
Iāve done a good bit of back and forth between the s-4 and Octatrack and the Octatrack can tame some of the chaos from the s-4 through a simple 4 bar loop.
The addition of proper midi sync will obviously open up this box a lot along with all the other developments but still an incredible looper.
I really like the internal compressor too and love it as an end of chain device.
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I get so bummed when Iāve got a good groove going via modulation and then accidentally hit stop on the S-4 because Iām never able to get that groove back again. Really need LFOs to sync with start and stop. Not sure if this will also be a part of the sync update but Iām sure hoping so.
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I agree. It is why I cancelled my June order. With the money still burning a hole in my pocket, I bought a Digitakt II instead!
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I followed this up with them and this was the reply from Lars
"This is the way we do it (and a lot of other EU companies use the same model)
Inside the EU, we charge 899 EUR, including VAT. The rates in the EU vary from 19% to 27%, so after tax, our earnings are different in each country.
Outside the EU, we charge 899 USD, excluding all taxes and import fees - this is also stated in our terms.
With the current exchange rates, the non-EU price is around 828 EUR. So it is true that with the current exchange rates it is a more expensive to order from outside of the EU on our site.
You can find another example on Teenage Engineeringās site. The OP-1 Field cost 1999 EUR in Denmark and 1999 USD in the US.
Iām sorry if you donāt find this transparent enough."
Ā£779 is about the going rate in the UK, or Ā£765 pre ordered with Juno
899 euros is approximately Ā£755, so whatās the issue?
You pay a further 20% VAT at the border meaning that UK sales direct from Torso actually comes to just over 1170 USD.
In the EU, the final price is 899 Euro (975 dollars), which includes VAT and taxes.
Sales to the UK appear to be charged at 899 USD without VAT, which you then pay at the border.
So, the final EU figure is Ā£755, the final UK figure is Ā£905