That’s not quite the same thing. No sound on sound control for starters
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I have Live but don’t use it much, except as an arranger for material I’ve captured into my Blackboxes. While I appreciate the DAW approach, I kinda like the fact that the S4 removes many of my choices, such as having multiple versions, multiple takes etc.
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I can understand. I recently bought dt2 and enjoying doing almost all on it, and then later i add maybe some extra stuff in Live, with polish, compression, efx, and master on top.
It’s nice to focus and simplify stuff in one box if possible.
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My third unit. Second day: “save failed” after an hour with a project. Solution: main power off and on again. I must say that my other two units before randomly didn’t power on so I needed to physically cut the main power. In this units the same thing happens.
I want with all my forces to love and defend this machine but Torso make it very difficult 
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and the main encoder is now good?
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Apparently yes. I’m treating it very very very carefully twisting it very slowly. It’s a new batch so I hope It will be ok.
It is a great machine. Except for some bugs, it’s a masterpiece.
Given that the button macros don’t yet map to buttons on the other pages, has anyone found an interesting use for them? The way they affect the animation on the macro page inspires some ideas ie maybe momentary adjustments to say the macro page itself. Would love to hear how anyone uses these in any way?
Live’s Looper device allows overdub, and has an insert so you can put whole tracks/FX chains inside it. Not sure of the max loop length though, but now I’m curious to pair it with the Granulator 3
Edit to add Ned Rush video on looping:
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What about pairing it with Portal from Output. Hast similar modulation. Add a resonator and roar and S-4 should be pretty well copied.
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Interesting, I might have to investigate Live again.
As a side note, I was using the S4 a lot yesterday. Within several hours I found 3 quite obvious bugs (I reported on the Torso Discord) and the audio glitched, crackled and popped far too frequently for it to be usable in any live situation IMHO. I was using the S4 as the master clock and all I was doing was live looping on the Tape device across multiple Tracks. Pretty basic stuff.
A new update can’t come quick enough.
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Third day: it froze. But I haven’t touched my main encoder so I guess it’s fine.
Between the encoder, the freeze, the power on/off to restart it (several times in those days) I don’t know… On Monday I will have a live performance jam and it’s a central piece. I want to trust with all my forces and I hope no errors.
I will wait for the creamy version…
maybe they will have sorted the encoder issue - if not- I will return it and will never look at it again
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It’s a great machine. 2.0 is absolutely genius. But in my own experience it’s full of problems.
I’m pretty sure that they’re working on fix a lot of bugs so I guess we need to wait a little bit. Maybe even they’ll add new features…
no offense and I’m truly just curious, if you had have so many issues and bugs with it, and are now on your third one, why would you use it as a central piece for a live performance just days later?
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And the Totem Series from K-Devices. Magma, Secta and Fauve pretty much brings the sound quirks into Live.
Is there any reason to keep the T.E. OP-1 Field? I use it mostly as a tape machine to feed samples to my S-4. The music I create is mostly ambient, dub ambient, experimental, drone, tape loop stuff. I recently got the S-4 and I’m learning the workflow. It appears to do most of what I have the OP-1 for.
What ways do you use the OP-1? I’m trying to find ways to keep it, but the S-4 does a lot. I don’t play keys, I mainly make music sequencing samples, making, tape loops, an granular sampling.
Thanks for your input.
Torso replied to someone on the Discord channel this week saying that the encoders have not changed in recently shipped units. The hardware has been the same since the S4 was first released last year. Whether or not their manufacturing quality control will improve remains an open question.
For those who have Live and wanna check other options
Fraction of a cost, and doesn’t freeze or bug out.
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I wonder the same. But I’ve discovered that poly mode sequenced by play+ is huge. So I have a lot of music covered with play+ in case something will fail. What I’m going to do is use an sp404 to trigger long Foley samples, play+ for almost all the drums and S4 for ethereal task and unit effects of Play+. I have too a beetlecrab tempera connected via midi for some stuff and in case that S4 fails I can change very very quick the midi channels on Play+ to play tempera.
In case that something will fail, I will not use it again for live. But I’ve used it previously with tha main encoder broken and it worked perfect.
I guess you’re right. It’s dangerous but it’s a live jam and at the end I can improvise something while power on an off S4.
The thing is that I’ve tried poly with some soundscapes and it works great. If you have a pad or something like that with movement and you add LFO’s and a good sequencer with chances polyrythms, etc. like play+ you can enter in a whole generative universe in movement. Even with only one track.
So S4 +sequencer is a total winner.
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