I’m completely enamoured with mine tbh! It’s become the centrepiece of my little operation that is made up of A4mk2, DN2, TB-03 and TV, and has prompted the sale of OT2 and AR2.
TV in the middle of it all with one track from A4 for bass going into TV for any effects treatement (flanger on bass lines, f-yeah!) before going to DN who is handling the kick and sidechain. Rest of A4 currently going straight to the speakers.
Edit: I can side chain in Tonverk, no need for the DN routing
TB-03 sequenced from TV is going into the other input for its own effects.
I expected the OT to move on but decided the AR could go as well. I’ve never really loved its analogue machines so was mainly using it for samples anyway. I’ve found A4 makes better analog perc so I can sample that in if the mood takes me. My percussion arrangements tend to be on the minimal side too so don’t need 12 individual tracks and DN2 makes a great kick drum so, yeah. Tonverk rules for me!
To the guys at Elektron, as far as this user is concerned, for my needs, workflow and what I like to do, it’s the best thing you’ve ever made. And it’s not even finished yet.
It can be unrelated, but I had a perfect coated button on my OT. I put a decksavee on it and put it in another storage because I don’t use it anymore. When I got the TV, I looked in that storage desk to grab some cables, I look at my OT and some buttons went sticky.
I have the feeling decksaver don’t save and keep humidity, that’s why every elektron have an anti-humidity bag in the original plastic.
I plan to not use decksaver on my TV, just clean it regularly should be better.
I have used decksavers since I first bought a Rytm in 2013. They’ve never caused any issues for me whatsoever. I can only speculate that buttons/enocders gummying up would have happened, regardless of a decksaver being present or not. Its not an airtight seal anyway… OTOH I could see them trapping moisture to a degree in humid conditions
So my earlier post mentioned how live performance could be a bit better with the Tonverk. Well I was watching the EZBot stream last night and he showed that you can use the bus tracks to kind of act like performance scenes similar to the OT/Rytm. Very cool!
I’m usually pretty quick to decide if something isn’t for me/is too buggy, but I’m thinking I’m gonna stick it out with Tonverk. It’s clearly unfinished in many ways, but the potential is already great.
Besides, Octa had some gaping holes in its launch state AFAIR
I might differ from some others in that I’m not in a hurry, can wait for a bit as I don’t have a ton of time for music rn.
I really like what Elektron is doing with Tonverk and I think there’s a lot of potential but it’s missing a lot of stuff. While I can be patient with that, the standout feature, multisampling, is inconsistent and more importantly, kinda flat? Like, I spent hours sampling some of my favourite omnisphere patches that I’m very familiar with digitally over us and they just don’t sound the same and aren’t very “alive”. I don’t even know how to describe it. Honestly might bail in favour of the new MPC with MPE and autosampling (over usb c finally).
there’s probably no cooling in your storage, so ya, it’ll probably trap moisture through the seasons with varying temperatures at different times of the day. maybe for next time, put a dessicant packet inside? (i live next to the coast and would save dessicant packets to place around my hardware/under my decksaver for the rytm mk2
Any resampled synth is going to lose movement compared to the original. That’s what a sample is after all-a snapshot of a few seconds of a sound.
You get none of the evolving modulation of the original sound. I like to take a sampled sound in new directions using the onboard fx and modulation—and the TV certainly doesn’t lack those.
I don’t think a different sampler is going to help.
Says * 48 kHz, 24-bit D/A and A/D converters but digital sampling should not make the difference. So is it down to the quality (not specs) of the hardware?
If someone could give me his/her opinion:
A few reasons why im getting TV is for its sound quality, the lots of FX it brings to do sound design textures, its possibility to use it partly as a drum machine and for its approach towards making melodies.
The situation is that i bought around 30 days ago my first Elektron machine, the DTII, and cause it was still on guarantee, I sent back the DTII and swapped it for the TV (which is hopefully arriving on thursday).
I hope i dont regret and send it back for getting again the DTII; any thoughts about this situation i have… to choose between having TV or DTII as a first Elektron device?
The 20 days that I had the DTII practised a lot so I sort of got into the Elektron workflow (even purchased a mastering DTII course that i didnt finish cause the TV announce appear on my phone and then i sent DTII back next day hoping that between other features, the sample manipulation features would be better on TV than DTII)
if someone could tell me her, his opinion would be great. Thanks!
My opinion is : as far as you don’t used to a specific workflow, you would be happy with what you have. Both DTII and TV are incredible device with different strength but you can achieve the exact same track on both if you master your gear and use some tricks when needed. So yeah, you won’t regret + the TV is more oriented to the future (new design inside)
yeah i think this is something that took me a second to realize.
A lot of people talk about multisampling as capturing an instrument, but really it’s more like capturing a preset minus any synth specific specific modulation you may want to do.
I feel like maybe the analogy works better with acoustic instruments with “finite” degrees of freedom, but I am not an expert .
I bought TV instead of DTII. I can give you my take but I am also on my first Elektron device so take that for what it’s worth. My point of reference for this is the Polyend Tracker+.
I love the concept of the Digitakt. It’s a nice box with a decent number of tracks and some pretty cool modes for making rhythmic sequences. What had me go cool on the idea was that some people mentioned in general comments how polyphony isn’t possible, and the workarounds can be annoying if you’re mid-flow. For example, programming a chord is either done by sampling one or manually putting the notes in the sequencer on individual lanes. That said when I saw people flying around making chopped loop patterns on it, I was still sorely tempted. And it’s clearly a beast of a box.
When using the Tracker it has this fun mode called note stealing which basically means you can very quickly and easily put a chord in a sequence and resample it, because notes “spill” into additional sequencer lanes. Then it got synths which meant you didn’t even need to do that. I guess because I used that technique and the synths quite a bit, I know that polyphony is something I look for.
Initially, the setup I was thinking of was DTII, a Polyend Mess for FX and a poly synth of some sort. I compared that to the OP-XY and then also the DTII/DNII combo. And then Tonverk showed up. It seemed to answer all the needs I had in mind better than those combos. I prefer samples to synths. It has polyphony, but can also do drums. It’s got chord mode and an arp. It’s a box with its own effects that go beyond the standard reverb/chorus/delay. And you can route those effects to whatever channels you want, plus sequence and record them rather than them being momentary perform effects. And it’s a competent standalone device, so that’s only one sequencer to learn and no cables when getting it out for a session.
Despite all that, I did still feel I’d like the immediacy of DTII. But Tonverk just felt more versatile as an overall composition device to me. It misses a few features compared to the other options out there, but gains many more not on those devices -and most importantly those features are all in one place.
Ah, but that is just one approach to multisampling.
You can also think of a multisampled patch as an X-Y array. The keyranges and velocities can mean any kind of change in the sound, you are by no means forced to use multisamples for “emulating” an instrument per se. Its just two (or more) axis of adress space for your samples, all ready to be used however you wish, without having to load every single sample in manually
For example - I could create a multisampled patch that has only snare fills, with the key range indicating tempo and velocity indicating the fill “style”. Or it could be a one note of a synth, where the key range opens the filter progressively while the velocity range changes the PWM (you’d then plock the TUN parameter for creating actual pitchings). Or something even much more esoteric…
I get what you’re saying, it’s not just lifeless, it sounds different. Also, the new pads on the MPC look to be MPE-like so easier to modulate. I’ll probably keep the Tonverk and learn more about the different lanes for buses and fx while we wait for an update or two. Glad to see Elektron addressed the early roadmap
