Tonverk speculations

fan of polyend play? :wink:

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LIVEN Tonverk

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Appreciate that you actually put the work in to make a mockup, but

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Is a big no thanks from me I’m afraid. There’s a good reason why an inverted T-nav has become standard on computer keyboards.

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I’d definitely play around with the mid row cluster and that layout in future iterations and try that in a more of a T-nav.

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Hey, don’t take this so seriously, it’s just the internet.
This community is generally pretty supportive, and @Fin25 especially.

You sort of put you in a higher ground, from my point of view. Sorry for being the first to react.

Now your design may be Pilyend tracker good, but

  • it misses keys. If they were there, they probably are important for the workflow, as even DN doesn’t have proper keys, while having the bigger polyphony in Elektron world
  • it seems all too normal to me, I don’t have the surge of adrenaline I got when I saw Tonverk the first time, or any Elektron. Hugely subjective, and certainly biased, but each new box is a promise of long journey, I don’t feel it here, like it’s too bland

Elektron design is less for the eye than for the playability. Workflow is central.
Without having a deep knowledge of what the box does and how it differentiate from other boxes, this exercise is very complicated.

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But the bottom section is a keyboard :slight_smile:

Oh right, I couldn’t see the black buttons.
Morning eyes and low light, my bad.

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Which means you can’t hold a step and enter a note or chord without entering a menu like on the DN, no thanks. That’s pretty bad UX. The A4 and Verk do that right

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Don’t call us, we’ll call you :grimacing:

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The Digi workflow is like that and is perfectly fine to me. I’d rather have that and larger keyboard with cleaner UI than what you’re saying but it’s all good.

Here’s a quick one with a T-nav :slight_smile: Aesthetically I like the first version better but this might have a better UX.

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First thing I noticed- octave starts on F? Would bug the hell out of me personally.

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The thing with having different sizes and positions for buttons is that I can go for each one with a very fast glimpse.
Such speed is needed, and I’m afraid lines of buttons don’t offer this.

It’s like having a map of a city.
One with a river, some very weird shapes, a center, a castle… and the other one is a grid.
If I had to show you where is a particular place, in one case I can show you almost immediately as nd you’ll most likely find it again, in the other it will take me some time and you’ll most likely forget.

Buttons that are often used like arrows should be relatively central to be possibly played by et other hand.

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The Teenage Engineering way haha :laughing:

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Here’s one with keyboard starting with C. I agree that this is better.

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It’s always been a compromise. The A4 has the space and it makes for a better ‘note entering experience’. You can’t argue with that. And Elektron seem to agree

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ain’t no way the encoders spacing equal to elektrons, looks too cramped, so are the other buttons, there’s no visual separation, I’d be lost af trying to play this thing live and not hitting everything wrong.

the visual separation of sections is to help me muscle memory the device, this render would be way harder for me, also someone said that the Data/Level too close to the Main Volume, here it’s even worse being between 2 encoders and buttons, this might look good in a studio but no way this is good for performance

while it might be more (subjectively) aesthetically pleasing, this is huge step down in functionality…


on a separate note, this is the way to discuss what good design is for you, not the endless bickering, words cannot describe design, a mockup like this > 100 silly fighting comments

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you turned it from an instrument into an item. and to my eyes it doesnt even look beautiful.

im curious if edit by edit people will explain to you why things are the way they are and why they work.

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Let’s agree to disagree :slight_smile:

As I indicated about 2000 paragraphs up the page, this thread has liquefied and expelled every conceivable bit of opinion or taste from my body over the last couple of days, so I truly don’t know what to say about your design. It doesn’t look like an Elektron instrument to me, but then again it isn’t one :sweat_smile: I’m just gonna say if you’re happy, I’m happy :slightly_smiling_face:

Didn’t notice that as I’ve never owned any TE stuff, but it’s a good reminder to avoid that too :grin:

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