@Jeanne owns the copyrights for “hoovers” here 
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Linn is old but now that he’s popped open the LM, maybe the gears are turning again and he is devising something he thinks is more appropriate. Just a thought. The whole bear hugging your critics and spinning it as endorsement thing is not new to ‘ringer. It’s kind of insane but somehow less toxic than suing everyone or making questionable cartoons
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Yeah, that was interesting to read that Uli ( specifically ) had him sent an LM Drum back in August.
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One thing I do know is that Behringer have more money than most of us and have access to legal council and they don’t seem too bothered about any legal ramifications of cloning. At the end of the day they’re a business and if customers are buying their devices and companies aren’t bring them to court, happy out.
Whether some of thier behaviour is ethical is another story, but again if people still buy the devices they makes it doesn’t matter either way to them.
Just so everyone is on the same page, the word “clone” is being used here when describing Behringers product design practices, is short hand. They aren’t actually making copies of the PCBs or things like that.
Agreed.
That’ is a disappointing thing to me, in that their engineering is really very good. To be able to produce their LM Drum for $400, and make a profit is example of that. ( Roger did miss on that, they are making a profit. )
With that kind of engineering they should be doing much more unique work.
And now they say thay are are upping their game again, and wiĺ be able to create even more products and do it even more inexpensively. ( i posted about this in the GIP thread )
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Just reading Behringers latest facebook post. They are asking if theres interest in the SP1200. Oh my. This is scary as they are knocking the ball out of the park if they take that on.
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Roger’s point about ethics (and by implication being unethical) matters to a lot of people.
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I’m not on facebook but somebody who is should go and post “yes”.
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I don’t know whether Behringer is good or bad for what they do. But I do admire their business capability and I believe their products have a decent standard of quality and usefulness at a low cost, something which I always appreciate in other kinds of products.
I fully understand why people hate them, and I think when confronted with a few products they’ve copied and released, it’s hard not to feel a bit cynical about those decisions.
They certainly seem to understand the market pretty well. Sucks how all corporations are evil (not sarcasm)
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Everyone is.
I can see it happening
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LMDrum was almost 5 years between “do you want it?” and “here it is”. Even if they move at an accelerated pace, it’s probably more of a “happy new year 2030” kind of thing.
Having their own chip manufacturing facilities is what really makes it possible, otherwise they’d be up against the same supply chain issues as other coulda beens.
Welp, see ya in 2030, B-mu SB1200!
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They are not bad at all. People are just upset because they are the first ones to break the mold. Every industry in capitalism copies each other. Music instruments like guitars have been doing it for awhile, only synths now starting to become available to the mass.
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They’re not good by a long shot either. Their list of dirty laundry is deep. There’s copying and then there’s cloning.
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I can’t find that post, can you provide a link?
Sure. In the comments section they mention it
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yo I found it thanks
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Knowing Behringer, that means they’re already well along with that one 
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