Thank goes to you and the quality of your post !!
I really find the vibe and people cool around here and the subjects solidly handled
Had a great sesh last night with a long time bandmate, he was playing D-05, OB-6 and ableton, I had only my Syntakt with me. Sounded much better on a consumer tier soundsystem btw! The more THD in the monitoring path, the less stiff/plasticy a Syntakt sounds it seems⦠Although we did use a dbx 163 limiter in parallel to give some smush to the mix, worked very well with the ST in fact
I also discovered another usable hihat sound from the HH ALLOY machine by doing some velomod matrix and LFO shenanigans. Yall going to think Iām nuts, but I got very close to a 909 closed hat groove last night⦠but when I tried to save the pattn, my syntakt didnt store the pattn? IDK I was pretty wasted to be honest hehehe!
The Syntakt autosaves everything you do, so why do you need to save? Or do you mean you made too many changes before copying or temp saving?
Frankly, I think Iām giving up on the 909 hats Iāve spent a couple of hours going through a lot of machines, but the 909 has such a specific sound to it. It has a very ātickyā attack and a very specific body somewhere between oscillating waves and filtered noise. And when I think Iām getting close, I listen to the original and realize Iām not⦠Iāve tried filtering the 909 sample to analyse different parts of the spectrum, and used 5-6 Syntakt tracks to replicate the different parts of it. I also tried a horizontal approach, recreating the attack and then the body. Thatās not to say all the attempts sounded bad per se, I found some decent hi hat sounds along the way. But they didnāt sound close enough to convey the feel of the 909.
Did anyone else make an attempt at this?
(Edit: corrected typos)
I dont know what happened tbh. I was messing around with a pattn I already made earlier, and started tweaking the hat sound on the track, 30 mins later got it feeling awesome, so tried pattern copy / pattern paste, renamed the pattn (to denote its REMIX status), saved it again into the project⦠and when I power cycled, the pattn was gone?! Couldnt find it this morningā¦
At this point Iām attributing it to potential user error, cuz I was well wasted like I saidā¦
Iām not ready to compare to a real 909 hat just yet, that can come as soon as I can recover what I found last night⦠I think I should be able to reproduce what I did given some time, Ill retry tonight. It involved HH ALLOY and holistic tweaking of both velo mod matrix and LFOs, I used a oneshot exponential LFO as VCA for the sound (track volume to zero, exp LFO raised it), and another LFO for modulating the LFO speed of the pseudo VCA⦠velomod matrix settings I unfortunately cannot remember⦠I was aiming for a specific Detroit House groove, wth hats on every 16th step, odd steps full velo, even steps velo 64, and with slight swing (around 54-57 IIRC), you know the oneā¦
PS talking about the 909 closed hat sound specifically - open hihat is too complex to even try IMHO
idk if this post will be helpful to you but iāve made it a habit to always reload the project after powering on any elektron device.
itās happened to me a few times across several of them (most often with the og digitone) that after a power cycle i loaded into a project with some āweird shitā - sometimes a pattern was missing, a sequence was transposed etc.
being very deliberate about saving & reloading projects helped here. (so did backing up often)
If you code a whole overbridge Ipad App, please bring a few inspiring digital new machines to this forgotten and lost device to make it even greater.
This has been talked about in the bugs thread. I ran into it too. I think it has maybe something to do with playing midi into it while itās booting up but Iām not sure. Itās gotten into this state a couple times for me. But itās been a while. It seems to go away with a restart at least.
No luck here, in way less extensive attempts. I learned more about the machines but didnāt get particularly close to any of the stages of the 909 hat.
The sound on sound bit on cymbal synthesis, I think, mentions cymbals sound way beyond our hearing range, like 100kHz, and we hear interfering undertones of that ⦠Still, Iāve often wondered what those resynthesis engines come up with for hats, almost enough to get one.
āforgotten and lost deviceā???
Hyperbole much?
Most of the time
Powered up the 'takt this morning and lo and behold, my pattn was there again!
Listening to it with fresh ears, I made some adjustments. Its not going to pass an A/B test but to my sensibilities it sounds like a good start, would be a matter of finetuning further with references from here to get it even closerā¦
909CHH#2.syx (35.4 KB)
Hereās how it sounds through my BĆ©bĆ©
Doesnāt the 909 use samples for the hihats and cymbals? Itās pretty much impossible to recreate that with simple synthesis engines like in the Syntakt. Iād just buy the Behringer clone Or use a sampleā¦
Syntakt is Syntakt.
Do check out the HIHAT pattern I uploaded earlier. Its not just me who thinks it sounds like a sample - my bandmate also said it sounds like a sample, and heās an experienced electronic musician
Syntakt can bend traditional conceptions of synthesis limits when the stars alignā¦
I did listen and it does sound pretty nice! Was just saying that itās pretty hard to emulate sampled sounds with high frequency content with synthesis in general. Personally, I donāt care too much about replicating sounds, Syntakt is just a tool to me
In fact , sometime i want a minitaur , then i remeber i have 3 in syntakt (kinda) , the i want a drone ( same ) , the i want a beringer mono (oups i have a syntakt lol)
Aināt that nice ⦠syntakt keep delivering i just wish teh analog tracks had a hpf added like on digital one (base filter) because it can get messy fast on drones or ambient
but of course. Just saying that its (one of) a synthesizers job to mimic sounds, and sometimes even complex sounds, or at least their ācharicaturesā can be created, if not to a 100% realistic, but at least usable degree. Iāve heard scarily good organ sounds from a DX7 and so on
⦠All of Syntaktās digital machines (except swarm) sound like samples, since they do phase reset ā¦
Another interesting closed 909 hihat was posted here: Digital Cymbal Machine sounds dull - #18 by dtr
I often end up dedicating the master fx track to this purpose. There are other ways to achieve side chain and I donāt often need additional overdrive but itās the only way to add a second filter to the analog tracksā¦