That Syntakt Sound

An old one that I finally took the time to record and release.

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Didn’t knew it was you , i already watched some from you and enojyed it …
MAy i ask where did ya got those stikers from … they cool !!

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Thanks! Hmm… I almost don’t dare admitting it. McDonald’s? :see_no_evil: :rofl:

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Guyz , i’m experiencing here and there this issue on analog tracks :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Elektron/comments/1g6j0rt/syntakt_analog_tracks_issue/

Anybody has the same problem ? is this HW related or firmware can solve it ? (asking because a reboot usually fixes it , but my concern is that it never did the first year and now it’s been like 3 times in one mon,th …)

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ahahahahhaha lol i had so much respect for you … now all gone …ahahhaha :wink:

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Took a peep at that hat sound this morning, thinking it might be useful to learn how it happened… turns out it uses the HH ALLOY machine!?

I guess it aint as useless as folks make it out to be after all… even if it doesn’t sound much like on the cycles, where it rules

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I managed to dump the PTN in the Syntakt now, thanks.

You had an interesting effect using the Amp envelope set to slow attack, and turning off Amp reset. Two consecutive hits sound very different because the attack phase is in two different stages on the two different hits. Nice :slight_smile:

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Ok, that explains a lot. I must have run across this sound after having watched a Youtube video exploring the envelope triggering behaviour of Rytm, and how it’s not always exactly intuitive how the envs behave under certain conditions… And that video inspired me to dig in to the more expanded envelope settings on the Syntakt :nyan:

This aspect certainly needs more exploration…

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This is how I explained the envelope reset (AENR/FENR) effect on Syntakt to myself


UPD. Image fixed according to to @normanion @Zo comments

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That’s the gist of it, but the interactions between the various stages, espacially in the AHD type env, are sort on unintuitive, if I understood that youtube video correctly… It’s like the attack phase counts as a portion of the hold phase, so you need to allocate enough hold time to account for the attack… There was something odd there…

Did you mean interaction between the internal machine envelope and the AMP envelope?

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Hi igors48,

Just quick thoughts. Shouldn’t the attack phase start immediately with another trig in your third plot (ā€œreset offā€)? So it’s not the max function of both envelopes, but start of attack and decay, where the second trig begins? In effect, attack lasts shorter and decay begins earlier, compared to second plot in your drawing.

Just my few thoughts, after looking at your post.

Anyway, thank you for taking time to doing this for others!

Cordially,
Norman

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Not much help probably, but I owned a Syntakt for a short period and ran into this problem a couple of times!

Thanks for kind words!

I’ve got some doubts too about what’s actually going on in this case.
For now, I just sketched out what I could hear by ear. :slightly_smiling_face:
But I’ve got an idea for how to check it for FENR using Minimeters or Ableton.
Just not today. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I think you’re right , i think what he draws is on polyphonic cases …but in case of mono , you’re right …

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@normanion @Zo you are right. Thanks.
Here is the spectrogram for FENR
A definitely longer than B

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Thank goes to you and the quality of your post !!
I really find the vibe and people cool around here and the subjects solidly handled :wink:

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Had a great sesh last night with a long time bandmate, he was playing D-05, OB-6 and ableton, I had only my Syntakt with me. Sounded much better on a consumer tier soundsystem btw! The more THD in the monitoring path, the less stiff/plasticy a Syntakt sounds it seems… Although we did use a dbx 163 limiter in parallel to give some smush to the mix, worked very well with the ST in fact

I also discovered another usable hihat sound from the HH ALLOY machine by doing some velomod matrix and LFO shenanigans. Yall going to think I’m nuts, but I got very close to a 909 closed hat groove last night… but when I tried to save the pattn, my syntakt didnt store the pattn? IDK I was pretty wasted to be honest hehehe!

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The Syntakt autosaves everything you do, so why do you need to save? Or do you mean you made too many changes before copying or temp saving?

Frankly, I think I’m giving up on the 909 hats :confused: I’ve spent a couple of hours going through a lot of machines, but the 909 has such a specific sound to it. It has a very ā€œtickyā€ attack and a very specific body somewhere between oscillating waves and filtered noise. And when I think I’m getting close, I listen to the original and realize I’m not… I’ve tried filtering the 909 sample to analyse different parts of the spectrum, and used 5-6 Syntakt tracks to replicate the different parts of it. I also tried a horizontal approach, recreating the attack and then the body. That’s not to say all the attempts sounded bad per se, I found some decent hi hat sounds along the way. But they didn’t sound close enough to convey the feel of the 909.

Did anyone else make an attempt at this?

(Edit: corrected typos)

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I dont know what happened tbh. I was messing around with a pattn I already made earlier, and started tweaking the hat sound on the track, 30 mins later got it feeling awesome, so tried pattern copy / pattern paste, renamed the pattn (to denote its REMIX status), saved it again into the project… and when I power cycled, the pattn was gone?! Couldnt find it this morning…

At this point I’m attributing it to potential user error, cuz I was well wasted like I said…

I’m not ready to compare to a real 909 hat just yet, that can come as soon as I can recover what I found last night… I think I should be able to reproduce what I did given some time, Ill retry tonight. It involved HH ALLOY and holistic tweaking of both velo mod matrix and LFOs, I used a oneshot exponential LFO as VCA for the sound (track volume to zero, exp LFO raised it), and another LFO for modulating the LFO speed of the pseudo VCA… velomod matrix settings I unfortunately cannot remember… I was aiming for a specific Detroit House groove, wth hats on every 16th step, odd steps full velo, even steps velo 64, and with slight swing (around 54-57 IIRC), you know the one…

PS talking about the 909 closed hat sound specifically - open hihat is too complex to even try IMHO