Most videos are talking a lot about step components which I find a bit funny because they’re not new - they’ve been on the opz forever. Hardly a selling point for the xy, unless this is your first TE device.
In comparison, almost no talk about sampling, how to incorporate audio from other instruments, etc. which could be a real novelty.
The most useful would be a full heads-on comparison to the opz, but nowhere to be seen?
I’d add M8 is a supercool device but feels like I’m punching a never ending series of PIN numbers into a minimal keypad … if Dirtywave ever put M8 into an OP format it could be even more of a blockbuster for those who like the multi finger experience
Exactly. It’s a good reason to wait. My TX-6 is flawless and indispensable, while my OP-Z is a bent brick. I waited for the OP-1F and TP-7, and they were both fine. Fortunately, my EP-133 KO had no issues, and I’ve been using it live since it was released. So, I’m reluctant to jump on board the OP-XY anytime soon, or maybe ever. I use Logic, so I don’t really need a $2300 sequencer.
the step components are an amazing USP feature of the Z
in this new format, with better synths and higher quality FX and the screen, it does take the Z legacy into a new paradigm - that sense of more personal interaction and control of stylistic macros
It’s surprising that more manufacturers haven’t copied it - MC101 scatter is probably the closest I’ve seen but TE seem to have a better feel for funk and style
for real. i use the Z several times a week but i never figured out the sampling. just made my first drum pack for it lol. i’m kinda determined now to use that side.
Haven’t watched yet, just starting to, but there is one video that’s set up as a direct comparison between the two
https://www.youtube.com/live/rAvWC0qyehY?si=50K_qDvOg57V1q7S
For the most part it doesn’t seem like a topic TE would want to focus on haha
I think there are many very meaningful improvements in OP-XY, but at like $300 used I feel like a true comparison would make the OP-Z look like a real deal haha.
Edit: the video seems to be a really great comparison between the two, I recommend it.
Still, for me, the improvements look significant enough for me to draw more interest in the XY than the Z…
I did sample on the opz because I didn’t like most of the factory synths too much. Now I see here ample memory, more sampling time, multi-sampling - and even the possibility to record linear audio for longer phrases taking advantage of that extended sampling time? Threshold! No more contorsions to keep the record button pressed? Resampling! Etc etc
With scenes/songs, makes it almost like an ep-133 is contained in here? How many samples come in the factory content? What kind?
You could say that the xy is “all of the POs+EP-133+OP-Z+OP-1f” in one sleek machine. Yes, kind of including the 4-track linear tape recording because you could set 4 tracks to sample if you have long sampling times.
Clarity on all that is huge to sell the op-xy I think. Yet not much is being said.
@MichaalHell
Any discussion on the backend with TE about export? Or is the final intention that things are just recorded out?
Because imo with things like Logic for iPad and Ableton Move really nailing the Export options, I think TE needs to come up with something here
OPZ sampling is not something I’ve ever done much of as it felt like you have these tiny time slots and would start getting too forensic to slice and dice when all you want to do is start building the band with a musical idea … not start allocating hits to buttons and then start feeling creative.
Other machines make that a lot more inviting (particularly elektron) where you have a lot more memory and visual guide on board.
Wonderfully intriguing if the OPZ is your only device, but why would you bother if you have access to anything else that can manage your samples.
OPZ always felt to me like make use of whatever is in memory on the drums percussion side, but focus on the melodic tracks to be creative as that’s where it is strongest with its step components etc
And ultimately the onboard synths are functional but somewhat ‘lowbit’ to go far beyond markers for a melody that you might transform later with better sonics in a DAW
No discussion and I don’t think that is something to be expecting from this machine. I might be wrong though.
Take a look at the OMX-27. To be honest, that’s why I love the OP-1 Field, the ability to play keys off the cuff instead of the super deliberate changing phrases in the M8. The OP-XY seems similar, creating patterns and ability to play over these sequences and record, etc.
Really cool.
Is the multisampler such that you can fill a folder over USB from your PC/MAC with files (named in a certain way perhaps) that cover various notes and the OPXY does the rest?
the reaction of those who snap called on this when the Toneverk is announced….will be interesting.
Thanks! I guess it makes sense that work went into making the ‘master’ section more polished so you can pretty much do everything on device and just record out. Is that how you’ve been working?
Can you categorize custom/user presets into the categories they have or is that just for the default presets?
Thanx for this, it was really helpful. Btw your are neutral right? Or do work for TE 
? Just asking, since you joined the forum cough cough, 2 days ago 
Either way, and assuming you are being honest, your input is much appreciated. It’s always hard to grasp how reliable products are, specially when we are talking about such a polarizing brand as TE.
I have to say that regarding hardware, the field didn’t inspire me the same level of confidence, as I have on a octatrack (Op1f feels good, but the keys and specially the encoders made me wonder if it will last for 10 years). The OT, and elektron products, are built like a tank. When I was thinking about this - how industrial and tough elektron products are - I just realised that my octatrack MKI has its encoders damaged- well know issue of jumping values- and my analog keys has its keys also faulty - sometimes some keys stop working, only to start working again afterwards, which is also a known issue. Initial and general feel is a limited predictor of reliability I guess. Its a “feeling” after all 
I have bough a few things for TE, a op-z, a op1-field and a PO tonic. Only kept the tonic. The OP-XY looks like maybe it’s going to be a keeper. Lets wait for the next couple of weeks and see
Dude, I hate when that happens
No, as far as I’m aware you have to physically put samples to specific notes in the OP-XY.
There could be some .JSON file that you could maybe alter and ensure that the samples are in the same preset folder, that might work, but I have not tried it.
That’s for the default presets, the user preset are in snapshots. But you can can change from category to engine sorting, the. Your user presets are stored in the engine that was used.
I do NOT think it’s worth the price they are asking, HOWEVER I do think that the extremely bitter tantrum reaction/surprise to this price is totally silly in context to what they’ve already established as their price range, in comparison to what people have already somehow accepted. The OP-1f is a massively overpriced device, it’s based on a device they’ve had since 2011, barely been updated in that time, not that technically interesting anymore (cool concept, I’ll admit, and I’m surprised theres no competitors), but it’s crazy to have at $2000. The OP-XY is quite more interesting than the OP-1f to me, and much more technically impressive and a more striking design IMO. In the context of the the baseline $2000 price for the OP1, then $2300 OP-XY makes perfect sense, and I would be incredibly surprised if they had priced it under the current OP-1f. I do wonder if this reaction would have happened if it was also priced at 1999.
These to me should BOTH be $1200 devices. If they are handbuilt, ethically sourced, eco-friendly, lifetime warranty devices with guaranteed updates, I would be willing to go a bit higher.
When I had the op-z I thought that it was the most amazing sequencer ever. I remember thinking that elektron would have some work to do to catch up. Its biggest limitation to me, was the feel of using it, pressing its buttons and “knobs”. I consider a piece of hardware useless if it doesn’t give me any pleasure of physically twisting and pressing it and having an immediate and desired action. In other words the op-z felt fiddly to use. Besides other obvious improvements, the op-xy seems to solve this problem.
if your familiar with the Z, it’s pretty much the same paradigm from sequencing to step components and punch in fx, tape track behavior, brain chords is the master track on Z and most of the Synths engines are straight from the OP1 & Z with some added parameters instead of direct filter control (fm, dr.wave, EP, Organ)
but the most appealing thing are the buttons, it’s the same shortcuts but on a bigger surface with op-1 buttons and the way you can interact with such, fast and tactile but also slow and silently, busy but fun.
the experience and technical aspect is basically the same but in order to „update“ the synth engines one can use the Z with a Rytm and A4 or AUM on the iPad and korg gadget for instance.
TE basically made a sequencer based recording studio in a half sized MacBook shell, bits and pieces like a modular system or classic dawless desk setups, with tons of cables and adapters 🫥