believe me, I don’t take pleasure in other’s displeasure.
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this is insane, real sick sounds!
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To those peeps who have spent quality time with the 133, and who are familiar with the 404mkii, does the 133 have any functionality that the 404mkii is missing? Besides battery life.
How is the 133’s screen in the daylight? Just wondering because the OP-1’s screen in the daylight isn’t very good at all.
Thanks! After getting over the learning curve I def had a wow moment with it last night. I just wish i could add a delay or reverb to an individual sound not the whole group. future update maybe.
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Jeeeez 
So how do you handle this? Sample with the FX baked in from an external source?
OK, let’s change the “once the quality control issues shake out”, to “IF the quality control issues shake out”.
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Battery life, built-in speaker and microphone, punch-in FX, workflow that’s centered around sequencing (SP-404 sequencing is god awful, there’s a reason most use it as more of an FX box).
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this was based on 2 loops I imported. I then chopped them up and made a few sequences. The loops were dry all that craziness is from the KO2 FX’s if you can believe it!
A lot of the wild stuff is coming from tweaking the delay while looping and jumping all over in the scenes. The delay when set to 100% feedback acts almost like another looper where it freezes the sounds being fed to it. Lots of fun to be had there.
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Couple quick tips that i found very useful.
- Holding down FX btn and your group button will solo that group.
- If you first hold down FX btn and engage an effect then you can let go of the FX button. The fx will continue to be active as long as your holding whatever effect you picked. works with multiple fx.
- while your doing the above you can still switch between patterns or scenes. Great for transitions.
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Great, thanks!
Well, that’s more of an opinion. Other than Renoise I’ve finished more tracks on the 404 than any other piece of gear. Also, check out the various 404 threads across the interwebz, it has more music posted than other any piece of gear as far as I can tell, so I don’t think it’s true that most people only use it as an fx box.
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Yeah it’s definitely an opinion. But as far as I know most SP-404 heads don’t rely that heavily on the sequencer. The workflow is more centered around resampling things live. This works tremendously well for boombap and hiphop, where there’s a heavy focus on finger drumming. Most people outside of those genres use it more as an FX processor, that’s been my experience.
The EP-133 doesn’t resample at all and the workflow is centered way more around rapidly sequencing. It’s closer to a Digitakt than an SP-404, despite the visual similarities to the SP-404.
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I think a lot of people use the 404 to produce things but the sequencer is definitely nothing to write home about.
I don’t understand why I can’t just hold a note in the TR mode and adjust its parameters, you have to set parameters before hand, delete the note, and then place a new one. Biggest gripe with that thing outside of the insane button combos (and buttons that have dedicated functions that aren’t needed).
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The dumbest quirk that gets me is that repitching a sample doesn’t affect the sequencer at all. You have to set the pitch independently in the sequencer. It’s just a Roland product through and through.
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What forum you been reading?
Impulse purchasing combined with lying to yourself is where it’s at.
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Two turntables and a microphone
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I wonder how many SP’s have been sent back for flimsy build? Rhetorical.
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Yeah I can’t blame anyone if the 404 doesn’t work for them, as I wouldn’t blame anyone for the 133 not working for them. I was simply asking for functionality/spec differences. And battery life, built-in speaker and microphone, punch-in FX just aren’t enough to make the switch.
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I have samplers from Akai, Roland, Elektron (2!), and now TE. I don’t understand the gear wars and defending a product you didn’t actually create, and are just a user of. It’s not like it’s a platform (Xbox vs PS) where you have a vested interest in its success, a sampler is a device that will continue to exist either way. My feeling is that there’s turfs on here that are concerned how disruptive the KO II (and likely the entire EP line) will be to devices 2x or 3x the price. I know I’m already considering getting a 2nd unit and relegating my 404 to FX and recorder. The workflow on the KO II is just that fun and productive.
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