Teenage Engineering EP-133 K.O. II

You love your hip-hop beats and for this I would def recommend the EP-133. It is quite barebones for old school hip-hop and has def a sound straight out the box thanks to the juicy master comp.
The solo and mutes combos + punch in fx are great for variations too.
Now to get one without issues is another discussion. Mine is ok for now (I had to sand 3 sticky keys and I’m not 100% sure sampling inputs are working correctly).

Also I find the 404mk2 sequencing too complex so only end up resampling stuff. With the EP-133, sequencing is so much easier (editing seems a bit more complex tho) it’s night and day.

And again the master comp glues everything magically together.

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If KO II arrives in perfect working condition, I don’t think you need to handle it with excessive care. I believe it’s the same size and requires the same level of careful handling as the 11-inch iPad.

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funny because aside from the bugs the more i use the ko the more i dislike my 404mk2. despite its limitations, the ko is taking me places i’ve never been. the workflow is phenomenal. my major two samplers i have time with are the digitakt and 404. hundreds of hours on both. and i’ve never felt as creative with them as i have the few days with the ko. to me, so many of the laborious workflow oddities of the 404 are smoothed out in creative ways on the ko. sequence and part managing comes to mind first and foremost. it’s so effortless and dynamic on the ko.

is it a must have? that is all preference. is it a must try? i’d say yes to that. just get it from a store that has a decent return policy and give it a spin.

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Thanks guys… a simpler version of the 404mk2 with better sequencing sounds like a dream machine for portable hiphop beats. I don’t need another machine but the things I heard from it so far do sound really good. Resampling would be amazing though, as would a second production run without the faders issues. I think I will keep a close eye on the developments.

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My thoughts exactly :+1:

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I may very well be wrong.
But, after 10 years as a QC inspector in various industries, I think TE just can’t really make anything of that « bad fader batch » but to use them.
It’s a simple operation, really. The time it would take to QC all their batch (which is probably at their sub-contractor site) for the little insurance that these QCd faders will eventually not break is not a good financial operation by no means. Insurances are a way better medium to take care of issues like these.
Ultimately, it means customers are gonna have to go through RMAs. And that will put a dent in your brand if you don’t carefully but quickly address the issue with resellers/direct customers.
I truly think that’s what happened with the OP-Z and, basically, all their QC issues.
Part of TE’s genius ideas are their out-dated designs with a hint of minimalism modernity : old keyboards, old calculators, old simple BoomBox…but all with the modern twists of software innovations.
But they probably need to make up for development costs and purchase by-the-bulk quantities.
And when you end-up with a bad batch of something like, say, a fader…then it’s too costly to throw these away and purchase a new batch. You end up losing way too much money.

Now. The packaging story is something else. That’s just bad design that wasn’t carefully tested out. This should be changed as soon as possible. You can upgrade the package, just like @te-david said. But upgrading the fader quality is a no-go, I’d say.
Don’t wait up for new development. We would need to have access to their batch quantities - ain’t gonna happen.
But the fact that there is no communication already is the common strategy when the stock is way too huge for any recall to be financially sustainable.

And then, there is the matter of stock. Not having enough stock to cover potential RMAs is a great strategy when your product is on its mark 2 or higher. But on a mark 1 product, it is common to ensure a sufficient stock so you can cover up to 30 to 50% RMAs if needed. That’s a risk you gotta take on a first iteration product so you don’t end up in the situation we are in today : loads of RMAs, no stock to send units back asap.

The way manufacturing works nowadays just makes a « second batch revision » unlikely. It would take way too many hours of redesign, testing and back/forth with subcontractors. If a new batch is out in the following weeks, be assured that it’s the same process and same components as the first batch. Way too much money and way too much time involved in this kind of processes.
Again, the best TE can do is update its packaging and account for enough stock as to cover potential future RMAs.
Cause that’s the name of the game, here. If TE operates logically (and not in panic), they are gathering data and calculating how much stock they need to cover their next batch issues.

They could issue a DIY fix if the issue is way too problematic. SSL had to do this on its first BigSIX batch. And that’s just one example off the top of my head.
But here, it means desoldering. So probably not an easy fix by no means.

All in all, TE just needs to own the mess and communicate a bit better than it used to do. But that is just my very personal and humble opinion.

This post is speculative at best, based on my experiences and (a bit) biased since I’m in the fadergate debacle at the moment.

I do love TE. And I’m pretty sure they know how frustrating the whole thing is for their customers. And, if anything, I’m pretty sure they will do right by everyone. Just gotta be patient. Their CS is probably both under-staffed and under a lot of CS requests right now.

And if this was off topic, my bad!

Oh.
And I have to specify that TE is cool enough to take direct RMAs when it could say no.
At the moment, they don’t exactly do - they just say they will. But the fact that they have their own store and the way they operate make this a cool feature of the TE experience.
Look at other brands, it’s not always the case. You usually have to go through your reseller in order to get the RMAs. Many brands will own hardware failure only because of hazardous risks (Line6, for instance), because the issue is on all the stock (SSL) or because resellers just stop selling when too many RMAs go out of nowhere.
So I’d say, apart from a bad communication towards resellers, TE is at least trying to make up for the defects and can’t really own the issue without being too financially technical about it.

Again. Just my opinion. Not aiming at anyone or anything. And I might just be wrong.

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Anyone found Program Change CC’s ?

Holy moly! This thing is so much fun to play with.

It really feels like an instrument because you don’t get stuck editing sounds. You can just keep going and going, without ever losing momentum. Blink and you’ll have a song.

The perfect “jam with yourself”-machine? There is no such thing as perfect but it’s the most fun I’ve had with a sampler for a long time.

I made this silly song that I recorded live from the ep-133 into my sp404. One of the sounds is the op-1 f dimension synth engine that I programmed via midi with the ep-133.

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is anyone aware of a little diagnostic test i can run through to ensure there are no issues with the ep133? there are just so many lights and functions that it might be helpful, if anyone is aware, of a shortlist of little tests one could do to ensure their unit is in good working order upon arrival. i could see myself thinking hey this works great only to realize two weeks later something wasn’t working right. thanks!

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Just check the fader and the speaker. No other real issues have been reported (other than software bugs).

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love the textures and lo-fi vibe <3

but honestly, all of you having fun with the EP, I hate you. it’s two weeks since I ordered from TE and still no shipping details :frowning:

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A little house jam! Love the fast and fun workflow, missing some sequencer features. I had to send it back to get repaired because guess what… the fader started to behave funky by moving randomly the values when sliding down to the bottom. I hope they can fix it soon. A great minimal stereo sampler with (I hope) promising future updates.

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wow! I sent it back to Thomann to see if they can repair my slightly funky fader. If not I will ask for the refund and wait sadly… I like the concept of this gear.

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same. At first I thought it had some weird “release” setting like in the envelope section but nope. I then have to toggle the play modes a bunch. sometimes that does it other times not.

Seems we’re not alone:

1 star and that’s only the UK

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Same. Mine is stuck in UPS hell. I suspect they’ve lost it at this point as they don’t seem to know where it is or when it’s being delivered. I hate them.

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Mine just arrived from SNS, ordered on November 24th.

Was packed in a box too large with bubble wrap around the KO box.

Could see a slight “spot” on the box where the fader is, but it functions, so far, and feels sturdy.

On the other hand, the “screen” was half off upon arrival, I have no idea how something like this would even be possible during shipping. Popped it into place, seems fine.

Speaker works, but let’s be honest, it’s crap and only useful in situations where there’s no alternative. As I was trying it out my coworker asked whether I’d just bought the world’s most annoying calculator.

Looking forward to putting it through some basic steps, probably the most hands on and easy to use piece of gear I have right now, so time to get on it.

Good luck everybody with their orders … I don’t think there’s any way to justify this kind of release, will be interesting to see how TE responds.

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I love the immediacy of the KO2 and with the FX the fun factor is def there but i cant help but want more of everything and it has me looking at the sp404mk2 which i had passed by due to its busy work flow.
Would you say the 404 performance aspects are “fun” in the same way? The fact tht the 404 lets you record your fx movements and pad triggers into the sequence and then lets you can resample has me drooling.

Although I’m not a fan of UPS, I try to take what I read on trustpilot as anecdotal evidence, or a piece of the puzzle. FWIW even the Better Business Bureau is rated just above UPS on trustpilot.

Granted 31,000 customers is a bigger piece of the pie than 251.

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Same here - 2 weeks since ordered from TE and I do not have any updates… Next TE release, I will have to change my strategy on where to get it.

I have an ex-colleague visiting me this weekend and would have been awesome to check it out together but nada…

Oh well, it’s not the end of the world but does not really feel good either.

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