Appreciate you hearing me out!
Yeah, Iâve now sorted out how to do what I used to be able to do thanks to all yâallâs help â I would say it was so much easier to be able to do this within a clip, and have that change the key of everything from there âfwiw Iâd imagine the use case of someone only wanting to change the key of one clip instead of transposing the whole track automatically to conform might be more the edge case than the norm, but I appreciate learning the new way now.
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Going FOSS isnât a gimmick, large companies with multiple products to support are far less able to offer the agility that a single engine / hardware product from a smaller dev.
Appreciate the wonderful that is, not what is not and will never be!
Billionaires and crypto scum hate creativity, they donât make the world a better place. They have taken money from local and public arts every opportunity they can.
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Yes, it was mostly a joke-post, I may have been high when I wrote it 
This was me being ironic⌠English sense of humour!
Iâm not sure that itâll never be.
What got me thinking about this in the first place:
The Minilogue XD.
I fucking love that synth⌠the user oscillators and FX are just so amazing. However Korg crippled it by giving it terrible MIDI implementation (for those parts of the synth).
I canât help wondering what it would be like if we had a synth that (like the Minilogue XD), allowed users to code oscs and fx to add to it⌠but it also has a proper MIDI implementation of those parameters.
It would be fucking amazing⌠Iâd buy it in a heartbeat.
I wonder why no other companies have gone that route?
How much platform development experience have you had? How much experience maintaining a public repository?
Supporting a hardware device and development community well is a large commitment.
Oh sure, there are so many weirdos online excited to be serfs, still thinking the promises of one moron are going to get them to mars.
Zero - thatâs exactly why Iâm wondering in the first place.
There wouldnât necessarily be any need to support the development community any more than Korg have done with the SDK etc. You can simply say, user plugins are loaded at the users own risk, and we will not offer support in these instances (which is reasonable).
I would imagine (this is guesswork, of course) that the Minilogue XD sold quite well and perhaps made Korg some profit.
The user osc/fx side of the synth has been widely praised and loved.
Therefore - I am wondering why other companies, aside from Korg, havenât taken this route.
Not sure how this relates to my original post. To clarify, as you may have misunderstood, and itâs not always easy to transmit the subtle overtones of communication when restricted to written word, hereâs what I was basically hinting at, several different things:
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I was paying a little compliment to seangoodvibes, all the other coders whoâve contributed to the Deluge community firmware, and of course the Deluge team themselves
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Idly wondering what a device which is designed by âcommunity-commiteeâ would be like (and yes I understand the problems with this)
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Having a little dig at rich twats and how selfish they are⌠of course theyâre not going to donate it to fucking charity
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Being a bit silly, hence the bit where I said:
I love what everyone involved with the Deluge has achieved. And dream for a future where more devices are created or improved in a community way.
The Deluge is amazing, and I love it just as it is. But the dedication by the community team to improving things and keeping the Deluge ethos and workflow intact and sensible, is really commendable. There is an obvious effort to understand and flesh out why a proposed change might be good, bad, intuitive or inscrutable. Despite the huge improvements so far, theyâre not trying to âcheck every boxâ or cram it full of stuff. A lot of care is taken to make things sensible and considered, bringing commonly used functions forward, lesser used ones sensibly hidden away but not buried⌠and always with consideration for people on original 7SEG display hardware, so theyâre not left behind. Itâs a really very collaboration.
Iâm going through a bad financial spot myself at the moment but when I can Iâll definitely be donating to the deluge community patreon, they really deserve some extra compensation I feel.
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My guess would be that big companies (think Roland, Yamaha) want to sell a product with a specific feature set and then in future sell a revised version. A lot of those improvements these days is just in software. They wonât get hardware sales again otherwise. Music production equipment is still a niche, vs other areas of tech. They want to sell to their existing base of users. And thatâs ok, itâs just a choice. I like that the TE OP-1 got 10 years of useful updates. And the new version did have significantly improved hardware, 2010 era smartphone SOC wasnât going to handle those extra features. Iâd like to think TE would open source something but Iâm guessing now they have VC backing that wonât happen.
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OMG
From facebook
EDIT: Ugh ⌠image fail. Shows Deluge screen being used to display envelope shape amongst other things. Firmware 1.3 Community release.
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Surpised how this has blown up - isnât everyone on beta (alpha) firmware? 
But yes, the dev team is amazing and the horizontal menus make everything a lot more intuitive, love them.
@seangoodvibes Are we talking about latest nightly, or fw 1.3?
Is it weird that the image fails are making me more excited?
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Donât use the nightlies right now. The âbetaâ is more of an alpha, but has all the nice goodies and is updated frequently, but Iâve found it quite usable.
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Ok, I feel sorry for those who canât see the images - but my Deluge isnât with me. Hereâs a 20 second video of how the new UI was, just over two weeks ago. Enjoy 
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Yes the horizontal menus are amazing to use. It makes a real difference to the workflow. So fast to navigate and edit parameters. If the devs can figure out how to quickly jump between the different synth menus (shift+ cross screen?) itâll be even faster. So amazing what theyâre doing! 
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Thats sick. Wish i never sold the deluge. Think i still wish for better hardware to support a big rig. But the updates have been amazing since i sold my 3 or 4 years ago.
How do you enter the horizontal view?
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I think in menu you just tick the horizontal view option
If horizontal menus are enabled, you just use it as normal.
When you press a shortcut, for example Shift + Filter Cutoff, youâre in the menu. Related parameters can be jumped to with the Synth, Kit, MIDI & CV buttons - which previously were not used at all in this mode. And if there are more than four related parameters, pages are indicated, and Scale & Cross screen jump pages.
I know of several people using two or more Delugeâs syncâd together, lol. Thatâs an option for big setups. Itâs really quite amazing.
Iâve only had mine for a couple of months but I love it.