Here is a nice Ferrari to go with the Behringer 808
Not quite. The Behringer would be an actual Ferrari minus the horse logo for the price of that car you posted.
And the Roland is the same car except double the price with a free Roland sticker.
Yeah just like a fake rolex that shows the time
Can the Rolex tell time better than another watch?
A Rolex have exquisite clockwork
Behringer, will own youā¦ Just waitā¦
At an exquisite price
Isnāt there another thread for people that just wanna endlessly bash behringer? Itās a really tedious back and forthā¦ behringer is super cheap. Not as high quality as the original. Everyone knows this stuff. People really need to state the obvious all the time? Like they think that their single opinion will suddenly make the people that arenāt offended by behringer decide they donāt want the gear? Yawnā¦
FWIW, I donāt expect Behringer to sell more 808 and 909 clones than Roland is selling their TR-08/09 remakes.
The Behringers are great if you have a setup with a big mixer and a lot of outboard gear so that you can take advantage of all those individual outputs.
The majority of buyers however will not have such a setup and is likely to prefer gear that streams all channels over USB straight into their DAW.
Thatās probably not true for the majority of people on this forum, but keep in mind that weāre just a small subsection of the market.
Lolā¦ In all fairness, these are just toolsā¦ In the end itās all about the music and the creation there ofā¦ The tools donāt make the artistā¦ Wait! Who said that?!
True, but there will always be āartistsā that are complete tools.
Roland should have done this years ago. But again, few companies have the foresight to predict a products cult successā¦there will always be people attempting to profit/capatalise on others designs, art, hard work, etc, etc, etc.
Iām obviously not a lawyer and just making an observation which I donāt think anyone has mentioned. Rolands āiconicā 808 colors (their gradient) goes left to right starting with darkest (orange) and ending up with white. Behringer is doing the exact opposite. So is this not a different thing? Can you trademark a set of colors used in any combination or reversed order?
Yes, I understand what Behringer is doing and the intent is clearly to make consumers think āRoland 808ā, but itās in fact not the same thing. I just donāt know the legalities and specifics of how it works. What defines āinspiredā vs. ācopiedā with designs must have a good amount of judgement and interpretation involved.
I canāt imagine Behringer and their legal team didnāt think of this first and thatās why itās reversed which is probably enough to be āinspiredā in their eyes and maybe by legal definition too.
Interestingā¦ shape vs. color. But I can see how trademarking an obvious shape like a cube could cause all sorts of overreaching implications.
The topic has slightly meandered from its interesting beginnings - letās remember the focus was trademark/copyright, we have the cloning discussion covered on a number of threads
There has been some flags which hint that things are drifting o-t
less flags = a good thing, just sayinā (both ways !)
Behringer = obvious troll is obvious
I think if you want to make a tribute to something as Behringer are implying in their videos, then you have to show a certain amount of respect, promoting your own 808 clone on 08/08 knowing it is associated with Rolands marketing is riding on the coat tails, rather than anything related to a tribute.
The problem with such tactics is it might land you in hot water, and it might alienate you from potential customers who just see you as a skanky knock off merchant, it definitely wonāt add any prestige or long term brand loyalty because your brand has no identity.
Before all the Behringer fans jump in saying Iām bashing Behringer (again), Iām not Iām just stating things how I see them. I personally care just as much about Behringer or Roland as they care about me, zero.
I find it interesting though. What one company can do with a specific set of colors and how that applies outside of that specific design. Ones eye can see that same set of colors, but used in a different physical capacity, yet still instantly āseeā (in your minds eye) something else (the original design). The arrangement of colors is different, but your brain is making the connection and association. Youāre āseeingā something that isnāt actually there. How do you interpret that individual mental association in a legal capacity?
Orā¦ as usual, I could just be completely wrong.
I guess (and it is just a guess) that a court might take into consideration the whole thing, copying the sound circuits, copying the colour scheme and basic layout, and using almost the same model number. For example the acidlab miami might not be subject to the same legal scutiny because they did not do all of that.
Might be good to remember that trademark law is originally intended to allow customers to uniquely identify a specific business entity as the source of goods or services. Itās explicitly not intended as intellectual property protection even though in practice it often ends up being uses as such.