So you have to let the clip run as far as I am aware but then you just hold the first step for example and then tap the notes you want to go into the step. If I remember correctly you can tap the notes in sequentially as long as you hold the step you want them all to be on.
You have to press record of course…
You dont have to have the transport running in order to add notes, but you will need to learn step sequencer mode and whether this mode works out ok for your scenario in other respects.
Eg select a layout (using the layout button) where the pads are split into 2 sections, the sequence steps in the top half and the playable pads in the bottom half. Hold a step pad, then press pads in the playing section to add notes to this step. The playable pads act as toggles, if you press the same one again that note will be removed from that step.
There are a couple of m4l generative devices that work already great with SA
Great, with Push 2.0b25 we now have access to some of the new stuff from Live 12. Meld and Roar work fine already. But it seems, we lost some existing features along the way. At least for me the visual representation of certain devices has been lost. Sidechain with compressor for example - and way more important: all the volume bars do not longer show up. Anybody can confirm or is this an an issue with my installation?
On mix Mode i Summit a bug theat you can’t see the vu meters of all the tracks
oh nice, thanks for the these suggestions, will check them out!
@VibKo and @SteveElbows: Thanks once again. Yes, the Melodic Sequencer + 32 Notes layout (section 7.4 of the Push manual) works out really well. Indeed, you don’t need to have transport running, and as you add notes, the Clip View auto-squishes to keep the whole stack in view. Regardless of the octave spread, the distance between notes stays uniform, as opposed to a 128-button sequencer that makes you search high and low for notes that you want to enter or may have forgotten about. Hapax is also pretty smart on this count, displaying a 5-octave vertical spread on one of its screens as a cure for stray note paranoia.
I was worried that this must-have feature for me was going to be a bust on the Push. My use case is not really for playing 12-note chords. I will need to be entering 12-note sets on a regular basis to tune my Soma Terra’s 12 sensors in real time and in rhythm. I’m glad that I won’t have to add a second piece of hardware just for tuning the Terra.
Still, the Hapax has the advantage of allowing note entry via external controller. When I hold a step down on Push (and I wish there were a way to lock this entry mode), it stops responding to my external controller. That constrains me to a 32-note view for entry, requiring octaving around this silent MIDI device. Add note entry via external controller to the Push’s infinite wish list.
For midi sequencing Hapax has all the advantages over Push. But Push is very nice to play/perform with the pads.
One limitation that is really bugging me, can you rename or delete songs from standalone? Initially I thought the AI auto naming was smart but really it’s names it automatically generates are the worst, lol. It’s actually driving me nuts. You can rename other things like tracks, but not your own song! Unless I’m missing something.
Has anyone figured out a way to save a sample to a user folder on P3S? I can find the samples recorded in the current project folder but can’t save anywhere else. I’d like to be able to record loops and samples from my modular and Kyma standalone without needing to save the project, open on desktop and transfer the samples to my user sample library.
Am I missing a work around?
Yes, you can do it:
To rename a Set on Push:
I hate the automatic file name generator. I would like a prompt to show up to specify a name…
I hate it so much as well…
I find it convenient but would prefer a prompt that suggests a couple of names and lets me choose to name it myself if I want to. And I’d prefer for it to put a date in the name too so I can keep track of when I first started the project.
Great I’ll try that. Yeah my ideal name generator would save each new set with a new number. My S2400 automatically iterates ‘Project00x’, it’s actually a really simple but smart feature.
I like name generators like this so much that I want it on the controller version too. It’s fairly common on ios music apps too.
Does anyone know a simple way to connect the trs midi out on the push to the op-1 field?
I can do from my Mac with usb-c, so controller mode is fine, but I’d really like to be able to do it from push SA.
Isn’t the SA’s USB-A port a midi host port? You should be able to just connect it that way.
What about hapax makes it so much better than Push for sequencing midi?
You have better access to midi effects and algorithmic placement of notes. More pads means you can see more of the bigger picture. Instrument definitions means you never have to pull out the manual to figure out which CC controls whatever parameter you’re looking for (they finally added a midi device for this in live, though it’s still only up to 16 parameters I believe).
That said, all the MIDI stuff coming to live 12 puts them at about equal levels. If you absolutely have to be “DAWless” in your studio than Hapax would make sense but if you have Ableton opened up, the new Live 12 features plus all the MIDI effects that have been there for years are extremely powerful. It’s just hard or impossible to set that stuff up in standalone (specifically the new generative type features).
For me, I loved the Hapax and the workflow but I always used ableton anyways and it always felt like I was adding an extra kink to my workflow when using it, cuz I’d have to record the midi data into ableton plus save the file on the Hapax as well as ableton so it just felt like I was double dipping in a process that could really just be done in ableton, especially since I’m not allergic to a mouse and keyboard.
I tried it this evening and in controller mode it works perfectly, but no joy in SA. I tried saving the configured set and copying over to the Push 3 SA, but it seems to not see the OP-1.
edit: OK, I was mistaken. It seems that even with configuring it Live on the computer, I needed to go into settings on the Push, and then MIDI output, and turn what I needed on for the OP-1. Works, great, once I’d done that.
thanks!
Yeah agree with all these points. Hapax workflow is pretty complete, perfectly laid out, the right number of buttons and knobs to complement each feature. Great features dedicated to sequencing and midi FX, and great oleds that provide well thought out displays for each menu. I sold mine before V2 came out, but can see the company listened to every complaint - I had submitted my wish list, and like 4/5 features got implemented.
Ableton Push is a different offering - it’s really a potential end game for me as an Ableton user, in that it has great pads, seamless (sort of) experience with Ableton, as a standalone it has every effect under the sun, particularly with M4L adding even more quality fx. It has everything imaginable almost possible. However the current truth is it just isn’t a finished or close to finished product - referring to standalone here. In fact I’m less sure they will fix the UI problems, as tbh what’s needed would change the original Push workflow, which is meant to be for a controller.
I wish it could also use USB audio, like MPCs and Maschines. I wish the UI was consistent, e.g. naming things, mod matrices, selecting samples. The browser needs an overhaul and I’m not loving Live 12s new browser, so I’m not sure what to expect.
Yes the Live 12 generative stuff would make sense but not confident we will see this in Push for a while. They seem overwhelmed with bugs and complaints that I just don’t see significant updates happening. A bit underwhelmed by Live 12 in general, the two new instruments are nice but nothing mind blowing. The UI improvements are not that nice compared to Bitwig.
Song mode is needed in standalone! Arranging songs by scenes is just not nice when you have a long complex arrangement. I’d much rather a song mode like Hapax or the MPC or Force or Maschine or Deluge.
So it’s a do it all, but not do it all ‘perfectly’ box. I hope it will get there and there is so much to like as well despite my rants.
For midi sequencing/fx specifically, the Deluge and Hapax are the best hardware solutions. For all round production, the Push is prob the best despite its flaws. As an owner of an S2400 (which I’ll never sell!), I’m torn as to whether I need the Push. I may go back to the Hapax and might get a BlackBox 1010 to handle long samples.