Sure I can understand. My wishes were just quality of life possibilities after discovering videos about the arranger mode of the OT and in my head I thought ‘Hey I can do all those but in a more painful way’. If I feel like I want an OT, I will get rid of the PT and get an OT but I am happy with the PT so 
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I like this comment. It was well thought out and has a nice design, just like a Digitakt.
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every company ask for feature request, I think it’s only natural to compare one instrument with another that you’ve had a more favorable experience with… it doesn’t for any of us to agree with each other because everybody is different but that is supposed to be a given…
I wish every groove box developer had p.locks and a sample slicing because I love them, when looking at a new groove box it wouldn’t make sense for me to suppress my love for those features, especially when the developer is taking feature request and might just add they feel that enough people would benefit from them… I agree with HiGrade1 that there are other ways and methods that have value but I think elektrons ways and methods have just as much value as anything else depending on whom is doing the evaluating… especially on an elektron forum
I believe one thing, the polyend tracker will be the last sampling beat machine that polyend makes that doesn’t have an resampling feature!
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I will use this thread as a sort of feature request directed to Polyend, since I can find no better place on the web. So far I have tested the tracker extensively. My main concern as of the present OS is the MIDI implementation. I see huge potential as a MIDI sequencer, but honestly think it really has to pair up with some features present in other hardware, especially Elektron since many of the PT users are also Elektron users, so the stake is high. One thing that has to be addressed is the Program Change features. The PT needs to have Bank MSB and LSB options plus the PCH message. I know there is only 2 effects per step but some hardware can’t respond solely to MSB and PCH to change patches. I would gladly sample the hardware but memory is minuscule and there is only 48 instruments, hence the necessity to use the PT as a fully featured MIDI sequencer, which it still not. So, we need more CCs, a way to send Bank MSB + LSB + PCH if there is not going to be more than 2 effects per step. More: let the MIDI out to be also THRU, or more precisely, MERGE, so you can connect a MIDI controller to the in and use knobs to control the external hardware connected to the OUT. And it would be ace to be able to input CC values via MIDI in and get them to be recorded on to the steps too while repeated to OUT. For now it is just a MIDI note sequencer able to send just 2 CCs per step. Another thing that would thrust it’s value as a sequencer is to have CCs in the Performance mode effects. That can’t be too hard…
Maybe I’m demanding too much? I know Polyend doesn’t have the resources as a middle sized company like Elektron, and development of software improvements cost a lot of time and money. But the PT is selling well and it will sell better if these kind of features are implemented to finally and trully compete with products like Digitakt and others in the same price range. Plus, the main reason is that it would be a waste to have such a brillant sequencing paradigm working mildly just for not having some extra stuff here and there. Hope there is a great os 1.6.0 in the oven!!!
Well the GitHub is monitored by Polyend. I doubt they’ve ever read this thread to be honest.
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And the Tracker discord also.
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I am not near to my Tracker or having a way to test it but have you tried to use two tracks to send more than 2CC at the time : Track 1 : MSB + LSB et Track 2 : PCH on the same step for the same MIDI channel? If my memories serves me, you don’t have to put a note on the second track just the Instrument and the effects.
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Thanks, I thought it was only for beta downloads, didn’t see a discussion. Didn’t know about the Discord either. Will repost there.
Yes I am aware you can do that, but still you are wasting 3 CCs just for this, and in this case 2 tracks intead of 1. It still would be great to have a MIDI implementation that is separate from steps, and also the CCs in performance mode. Don’t you think?
No, it’s really not obvious, but Jacek is monitoring that Github methodically, and feature requests are given credence there (if only, in some instances to explain ‘not gonna happen’)
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You can just make feature requests there as well.
CC in perf would be awesome. I think that request is in. I may have made one myself. Can’t remember tho.
perf affects MIDI tracks. Not all features, but still cool.
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I also wanted to post all this here cos I assume we all use Elektrons and have comparative opinions.
BTW i downloaded the 1.5.0b and tested the white theme, dunno if it works in direct sunlight but I didnt like it at all, lines are very illegible.
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Oh yeah, nothing wrong with some healthy discussion. the Github is not a conversation
I posted this in github:
_The PT needs to have Bank MSB and LSB options plus the PCH message. I know there is only 2 effects per step but some hardware can’t respond solely to MSB and PCH to change patches. We need more CCs and a way to send Bank MSB + LSB + PCH per track if there is not going to be more than 2 effects per step.
_Most importantly: Program change when switching patterns!!! Some hardware doesn’t handle well a PCH each time the pattern loops, so it would be great to have a PCH message sent ONLY when you switch the pattern (like most pattern-driven sequencers).
_To have MIDI out to be also THRU, or more precisely, MERGE, so you can connect a MIDI controller to the in and use knobs to control the external hardware connected to the OUT. And it would be ace to be able to input CC values via MIDI in and get them to be recorded on to the steps too while repeated to OUT.
_CCs in the Performance mode effects.
My reply was mostly in case of you did not know it.
In general, I stand by the fact that updates may or may not happens and try to manage with what I have. Sure I have wish-list but they are wishes not needs. Everyone manage their own expectations as they wish honestly.
For example, to come back at your problem of having more CC than 1 by FX Another more general solution would be to offer the possibility to add at the configuration level of the Midi Instrument and the CC and instead of treating one CC = 1 FX to 1 Sum of CC = 1 FX. In general, I think that providing a solution that generalize a problem allows to have more user with similar issues but not exactly the same to support the demand.
BTW if you need a link for an invitation for the Tracker discord : https://discord.gg/VUqTQJXk
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I agree! Thanks for the invite!!
It is a bit of a bind if you’re coming from Renoise / Elektron land, particularly because it includes things like velocity, pan and gate that you might take for granted as standard parameters rather than FX. It’s not a dealbreaker - more a case of having to adapt to the ethos and play to the Tracker’s strengths - but I absolutely would love to use more effects if it were possible. The question is how it could be done elegantly with the existing UI - I guess ‘zooming in’ on the FX column might be one way.
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I think zooming in would work well, and could keep the same basic layout on screen. Have a key combo to zoom in one more time so that it shows just two tracks on the screen. Each track would show Note, Instrument, and then six different FX slots. FX1 and FX2 buttons would still work to select those, and then arrow over for the remaining FX. It would open up the machine a lot. Because burning your FX slots on things like velocity, microtiming, and pan are very limiting.
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before I go making a request on the forum…
does anyone know if a request to have “nudge” as a Perf option?
being able to nudge selected track up or down, warp around style. [WITH an indicator that shows how many steps you nudged, WITH a return to original position option]
if no…I gotta make that request.
[I actually may have requested this already. I just dont remember anymore]
Great idea