Off topic, but how are you finding the Blackbox? I went back and forth between that and the Bitbox for a week and ended up getting the Bitbox (to mostly use with a Seq) Bitbox appealed as you can load the FXBox and Synthbox firmware on to it as well, but my brain is still nagging at me as to whether I should have gone the other way and got the Blackbox.
Stereo out makes sense imho. Itās a small box and Iām sure it has some mixing options.
Besides, in a studio setting I will probably use it more for sending midi.
If this price is right and sample manipulation is flexible enough then I love the idea of this for working on beats/sections for later recording/arranging.
I love it
The Blackbox as a desktop unit donāt have any of the firmware swapping going on, nor does it seem that it ever will be capable for that. But itās not euro, so if you want that stuff into your rack, the Blackbox wasnāt an option anyway.
But as a desktop unit, the Blackbox has a lot to offer. It holds a quite unique position in the market, Iād say. It reminds me more of anything than an old SP sampler pimped up to current standards, or the best parts of the MPC workflow.
If you can make whole productions in it like one of the leaks say maybe there will be an extension that you can connect for more inputs or maybe they are just referring to when working in the box only.
Quite interested in what we dont see from the teasers or the looks of itā¦
The workflow, the sampling, the sample playback and slicing, the instruments if any, maybe the vsts if compatible, etc.
FM radio is pretty weird but when traveling it becomes super fun for sampling, made my OP-1 super happy in Cuba )
To be honest, to me it doesnt matter if it has one stereo out if it can multitrack via usb in a DAW when/if I want to finish up stuff.
To be fair I rarely need all outs from the Blackbox anyways but the sequencer and some workflow quirks irritate me. Weāll see if one gets @circuitghostāed for the other in the near future
People do write the DT off for this reason, and others. It doesnāt make much sense, but there you go. I think for a device which uses internal send effects and is essentially a complete track-maker in a box, a stereo output is just great! If my Digitakt had 8 outputs, would I be using them? Maaaybe, but I like the internal effects in combination with the sequencer too much so I would most likely still use the stereo out most of the time. So I think stereo is fine for the Tracker.
Yeah, I mean, even I canāt tell when Iāll circuitghost shit so these things are unpredictable, at best. When it comes to samplers, even more so.
Yeah, I agree, itās a matter of how you position stuff. It makes sense for the Digitakt to keep just the stereo pair out, as the Polyend if this turns out to be the case. By saying itās a one stop production unit for what it does, limiting outputs also allows you to focus.
The Blackbox is different and very clear that it wants to be used in a larger context. While not necessary, thatās where it thrives more. The Rytm totally makes sense for multiple outs as well, whereas one can argue whether the Toraiz or the Live really needs it, considering theyāre very much complete units as well. Especially the Toraiz can sound f*****g awesome on its own.
Itās not going to support vsts
I can understand having that flexibility for live performances, and Iām hoping that it at least has the ability to mix down into separate tracks or even act as a USB audio host with those tracks accesible as the Digitakt does.
I agree, I can see specific situations where you may want more than one output but for this device itās all about the oldschool tracker. Itāll be interesting to see if they have any live performance based features they have.
I would be happy if you could just bounce down tracks like the MPCs. Bring those full stems into a DAW and mix.
Ya I donāt get. All these folks that complain about menu diving and werking on screensā¦
I never used a tracker, so this will be an uninformed comment, but this looks like the opposite of creative freedom when it comes to making music. Looks like going back to pixel painting sprites to animate. I have nostalgia for it, but Iād NEVER go back to it. 3D kinematics is just so liberating in comparison.
Tell me why Iām wrong, I donāt get trackers.
being serious, not trying to be an ass
(Sorry @re5et, meant to be a reply all)
I havenāt done pixel sprites since mid 90ās.
Neither have I
For me event lists like Trackers and old school midi sequencers give a good overview and precision, making programming complex stuff more efficient.
Itās a workflow thing.
I still like to spend some time with my old Gameboy putting tracks together on LSDJ and I used to use renoise quite a bit and loved the workflow.
If someone could bring all the best bits of trackers to a useable and intuitive hardware format I think it would do pretty well, itād be like the Elektron workflow, but without the restrictions of a 64 step sequencer.
Itās a fine line though, youāre right, between a good piece of hardware and a box with essentially a limited DAW in it.
I tried to get into Renoise after seeing this, but itās just not working for me. I think I really miss the pitch-to-y-axis visualization you get from a normal piano roll. However I do love x0x style sequencers and in that case you canāt even see per step pitch.
Either way, the polyend tracker is a preorder/day 1 for me - so far it seems to hit the sweet spot of portability, sampling, sequencing (and what looks like a song mode?). The fm radio and synth are the cherry on top. Instabuy, shut up and take my money territory.
THIS. In a way the Elektron sequencer is not much different (well, more restricted, of course), but you simply have no overview what exactly is plocked and where. You need to jump through all the menus and gather the details yourself instead of having them in a nice list.