Plugin-alliance discussion

yeah, that’s what I meant, obviously joking as their sales prices are so frequent that they can be considered the status quo rather than the exception. That said, I’m not sure if they are “preying” on us. Most plugins would be decent value in comparison still, so the prices they go for after discounts are extremely fair and good value for the customer.

I’d say micro transactions in games or dynamic pricing where demand and supply is not transparent or loot box models are preying models.

this one is just designed to make you feel good about your purchase and that way get you to spend manageable amounts repeatedly/frequently.

Considering the value most seem to get out of the plugins they buy with them, I’d say that’s fair enough.

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A lot of plugin developers seem to follow that strategy, Waves is another example.

Extremely steep prices for undiscounted products and deep sales every now and then.

It came so far that as a (hobbyist-)customer I would never even think of buying an undiscounted plugin (from those companies) because I probably have to wait just a month or so until I can get an insane -80% discount for the same product.

So the real price of theses software is far lower than what it is when no sales.

The consumer psychology is very much part of the game for sure. But they were hardly the first. I didn’t owe anything from them until a few weeks ago. I Never undertsood the voucher thing that others seemed to love to game on kvr, etc. Furthermore I didn’t like their integrated downloader (all au’s also show up in Live under Plugin-Alliance and not the plugin maker name). However now that I’m into it I can appreciate it for what it is. They give me a little push to buy something and I disgustingly sit in my chair scanning, demo’ing and thinking - playing out the only sort of hunt my modern lifestyle offers. Is it all bad in the end? Perhaps, but at this point I’m just riding the wave of destruction to the end. It’s too far late in the game for me to make a difference.

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Who on earth buys non discounted plugins?
I see the discounted prices as the normal prices. With the vouchers I think they are pretty cheap for the quality you get.

Can somebody say something about the focusrite channel strip from pa? Best compared to SSL (I have N). What does one get from it that makes it special?

It’s cleaner, bit more neutral.

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Thx t-boi

It wasn’t always that way at all. When I got VSM3 is was $300 for quite a few years, now t’s $200 max . I think all the Unfiltered Audio were $100+. The sales have become frequent.

They’ve just moved with the times and it seems to be working.

Waves always seem to have discounts now.

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Is there any way to get hold of individual installers for your plugins - I’m running a 2012 Mac and I am loathe to bloat it with install managers and ‘helpers’ and whatnot tying up resources and (head)space ?

Either that or if there’s a 100% bulletproof uninstall method for everything associated with the installation manager then I might give it a go

I tried running the app in the dmg and created a bundled installer from which there’s nothing I can pick out - I hate these things, folk object to these for a reason, it’s a reason to avoid certain stuff (cough IK cough) - it’s annoying enough that Arturia and NI went that way - it’s one thing to make it convenient for vendors or for there to be efficiencies from the perspective of licence management etc (I’m somewhat against the grain in being fine with iLok) but when every man and his dog is doing their own thing it offsets the headaches to the end user

There are other companies working this way and thankfully there’s often access to individual installers (yay izotope) - I clearly had access to a BYOME installer at one time because if it was clear at the time you would need to load apps and helpers on a system I’d have passed

As far as I can tell there’s no need for the installation manager or helpers to validate the plugins, so this is more a convenience for a vendor and I’d suggest an inconvenience for (some) users

Is there any conduit through UA/PA to get the plugins or at least a comprehensive uninstaller (app/method) for the ‘bloat’ part ?

I understand that keeping everyone happy isn’t possible and that this approach represents an efficiency at your end, but including an uninstaller wouldn’t be that difficult surely because as you’ll witness from internet chatter it’s a fair request, especially for folk running (or trying to) lean ageing machines

quite why the generated bundle isn’t more like a Mac package that you can peak inside is probably not for you to say, but that too could have offered a compromise of sorts

this is partly what makes computers a killjoy - I just fancied some fun with the sleep buffer in SandmanPro and here we are

I don’t have high hopes for a solution here, these things obviously change for a reason too - but if there’s any way to get a reliable path (instruction/script/app/whatever) to complete ‘bloat’ removal then it’ll be appreciated - I’d suggest that this is documented alongside the ‘installer’ in future as a courtesy - and yes I realise you’re not representing PA here, so if there’s a link to SP available I missed that will be fine too as I guess it won’t be developed much and I’m sticking on my current os, Mojave, anyway

/rant

pretty sure you can just grab the demos from their respective pages and license them

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maybe that’s what i did before - will check out right now - i did explore all over but maybe not that !

individual installers on left, manager on right :slight_smile:

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embarrasing :zonked:

:loopy:

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nonetheless, … awkward, … if running the install manager within its dmg created any mess i’d be grateful to learn about that ! :thup:

there are no plugins inside the manager to cause a mess anyway. it’s a tiny file. this one is actually handy and doesnt get in the way, unlike the arturia one :angry:

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but it did try to install helpers on three occasions ! - so in creating what it did from within the dmg it eventually created a 200mb download and possibly some cache elsewhere ?!

I see this in another forum for anyone interested

MEGA-SALE-20OFF
you can use on the cheaperst one to make them free and its until the 3rd april i think, i havent tried.

I was looking around but i havent used the freebies i have got so far so I might not get anythign this time around :slight_smile:

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Absolutely loving Byome/Triad. I have Byome on every track, instruments, stems & also master. Mainly using it as a peak limiter, as it’s brilliant for squeezing some rms out of the signal chain.
The added ability to throw in other effects like saturation and filters etc is amazing. Because it’s already on each track by default, it’s easy to add a flanger or phaser to synth for example. Also very much like the idea of having everything contained within one plugin which (maybe) reduces the chances of latency build up. Opposed to having many separate plugins in a chain.

I bought it with experimental stuff in mind, but ended up using for bread&butter tasks which was a nice surprise.

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