Overbridge, Digitakt, and track panning

It would be great if the actual track pan setting would send MIDI CC. Then you could just map to the pan parameter in any daw, problem solved. OP-Z can do this.

Hello,

I am a bit bored by this mono situation too with my digitakt.

I have a few workarounds though :

  • first solution is to use the (recent ?) per track routing. I Route to the master track only the tracks with creative panning (lfo on pan etc) and keep the mono tracks for real mono tracks (kick, snare). However it is a bit tedious for big project
  • second solution is to record the master track with everything (8 audio tracks + fx) and keep the 8 separate mono tracks as a “backup” only. These backup tracks allows me to send reverb/delay to a specific element (by feeding it to a reverb buss) or even to EQ/compress (by inverting the phase to remove element from the mix and then adding it again)

However, a more elegant solution for elektron would be to allow overbridge not to output 8 separate audio tracks but 4 stereo buss that could be routed as needed. Same cpu/bandwidth but more flexibility.

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I’ve only tried this a little bit, but it seems to work! In the manual on page 66, there’s this:

ENCODER DEST controls whether the DATA ENTRY and LEVEL/DATA knobs sends MIDI data or not. When set to INT, the knobs only affects the Digitakt and no MIDI data is sent. When set to INT + EXT, the knobs affects the Digitakt and also sends MIDI data to external devices.

Basically, setting this to INT+EXT makes every parameter on every page on the audio tracks send midi data, including pan. I tried this with FL Studio where I mapped the pan per track on the DT to their respective channels in FL Studio, and it worked! LFO and all.

You may also have to set the OUTPUT CH to track so that each audio track uses their own midi channels.

OUTPUT CH selects whether the knobs will send data on the auto channel or the track channel.

Does this work for you too?

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Thank you, this is great, it’s been there the whole time!? Woops

I just started messing with this in Reaper, I can get the pan knobs on each Digitakt track to control their respective tracks in the DAW, but curiously it’s not responding to the LFO

*Also not responding to P-Locks

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I was just searching through some of my old posts and in a locked Overbridge Public Beta thread from 2019 I had actually come across exactly this set up, I must have forgotten. But again, I wasn’t able to get the LFO and P-Locks to work, so I figured out a MIDI set up in the mean time. I haven’t even really been using that either though, hoping for a better solution to come along…

Is there anything you can suggest that I look out for in my set up to get the LFO happening?
Are P-Locks working for you?

The only time I hear the LFO and locked panning is if the track is sent to the delay or reverb, but the individual track audio is always static

I may have to try out FL

I was also unsuccessful trying this in Ableton, even with OUTPUT CH to track. LFO and plocked panning changes aren’t updated in Ableton. It seems like ENCODER DEST to EXT only sends MIDI when the encoder is physically moved.

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New Digitakt owner here. Just tested recording via OB and discovered this lack of panning. For me this makes OB pretty much useless for recording Digitakt. I use panning creatively on every pattern, and in addition panning is mixing. I don’t want to have to remix every pattern in my DAW because I recorded it with OB. Bummer.

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In fairness this information has been available for years. :confused:

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I’m whining with hopes that Elektron peeps are keeping an eye out on the forums here, lol.

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I’ve found that the only way to have your panning from DT to your DAW is to record each track invidually. And by this I mean you mute all the tracks except the one with panning and record it on a audio track with overbridge VST.

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I’m curious if there were any extra steps to get the LFO mapped correctly? I’m having a similar experience in Logic and in Ableton as @phasingtomsolo had in Reaper – the physical knob movement is mapped correctly and controls track Pan amount, but p-locks and LFO changes aren’t outputting data (even though the Digitakt Plugin sees these values just fine…)

I’m gonna throw down on this thread instead of posting another one. The fact that panning automation that is recorded on the DT is not passed through OB for multitracking makes OB essentially useless in any applications for which one would need a Digitakt.

If one of the main selling points of OB is that a user can program their stuff in the DT and then play it back multitracked out into their DAW, all that panning work goes to shite. I really want to use the DT to do a full album’s worth of drum programming, but I’m not about to individually track my panned files into my computer. I may as well just use a sampler VST so I can do it all ITB and not have to hassle with the recording.

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Feel 100% the same! It seems like such a strange oversight…

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Exactly! It’s like, what’s the purpose of OB in this case? The DT doesn’t offer anything in terms of functionality that you can’t do in software, so the whole draw is that you can write your beats with the tactile interface. If I can’t easily transfer that to my DAW with the tools they say are for that purpose, why would I bother?

You can’t P-lock in Ableton Live. :wink:

Of course you can! It’s called automation. You can literally do it in any DAW that allows for automation of either a pattern or full track. In fact, you might almost argue it’s easier and more versatile in a DAW as you can do as many as you want and see each thing individually.

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If I was going to use OB, I would simply forget about panning while in the DT only stage (making your mix decent in mono is no bad thing anyway), then just add panning in the DAW. Until there’s an update, there’s not much point in thinking it’s a showstopper because it won’t achieve anything. Maybe the reason each track isn’t stereo is to do with the USB bandwidth? The ones that have stereo (AH, A4, DN) are piping over way less tracks. I dunno, just my guess. Anyway, either use OB as is or don’t or send a feature request.

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Actually,
@craig
I bought a digitakt partly because of multitracking with overbridge but I am finally using overbridge without multitracking because of this panning issue, as I use a lot the p-locks and LFO on panning.
If I need to record a break/transition that I am performing on digitakt, I only remove some elements (kick, snare) from the main stereo output through the pattern routing options (import menu)

The thing is, I don’t mind any of the limiting choices about the digitakt (memory limit, mono-sampling and all the things people complain about), however for music production, I still feel this panning issue makes overbridge lost half of its interest.

And that is a shame, if it is a bandwith limitation, I would really love that elektron gives the option on overbridge to track out 5 stereo buss (equivalent of 10 mono tracks), instead of 1 stereo track + 8 mono tracks (equivalent of 10 mono tracks as well)

Having 5 busses to route your 8 tracks from would be more than enough. This mono routing, is a pretty bad design choice

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As far as I can tell, it’s not strictly a bandwidth limitation - the pan value is a control signal, and that info is already present in the Digitakt plugin, since the UI visualizes it. It might be a bandwidth limitation if they tried to send a stereo channel for each track, but the tracks are “mono” before panning anyways, so it could just as easily be implemented with the plugin applying panning on the computer side. The plugin’s individual track outputs already show up as stereo in the DAW, but the same mono signal is present on both channels, so at that point it could just be a matter of using the pan signal to actually pan the output within the plugin.

I’ve just written Elektron support properly about this, since it’s becoming a huge headache for me at the mixing/finalizing stage of my current (all digitakt) project. Having busses would be completely fine for me as well, even if it were only 4 stereo busses instead of 5.

Has anyone managed to figure out any workarounds using MIDI tracks?

AFAIK, the Panning is already implemented with the Digitone.

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