Damn @aarb420.
You bodied them…
…with receipts!
I think that @Crudeliar raises some good considerations that may be relevant to some people - if you are protective of your work and are more focussed on commercial releases then this defintiely isn’t the venue to share those tracks. I’d consider someone wanting to steal my track a good problem to have but having heard the quality of Crudelia’s work I can see why that might be a concern for them 
I suspect you’ve possibly enjoyed commercial success and know that space well?
I’d echo others and say that this like the other challenges is just a formalised way to muck-about. Might even be worth stating @BLKrbbt that any track submitted is public domain. That said, without any formal contract in place anyone sharing their work remains the sole copyright owner, giving BLK a file doesn’t transfer ownership. In fact it’s technically him at risk, if he were to profit from our work then we could sue for the royalties.
Not that I doubt BLK’s intentions for a second. If for no other reason than creating compilation albums from amateur musicians is a terrible business plan 
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Not even 3 battles complete and we’ve got our first dis track.
Is this some fucked up marketing scheme you crazy cats brewed up for “Drum n’ Bass Battle #5 - No Vaseline”?
I love foreshadowing
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You know what they say.
If you start getting haters, you must be doing something right.
I’m assuming it’s hate. I haven’t listened to it.
I choose not to engage.
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I’m on the fence if I should take this discussion down or not, but I believe it’s better to sort this.
IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE FURTHER IN THIS DISCUSSION PLEASE STAY FRIENDLY.
@Crudeliar you raise an interesting aspect but it was wrong to do it in a middle of a battle thread. There were many ways to handle this more elegantly, including contacting us mods about this so we could talk through PM without all the fuss.
But I understand your concern.
@BLKrbbt I understand how hard you’ve felt about getting insulted in the middle of a battle thread, can we forget this and take it as clumsiness? Reading @Crudeliar it doesn’t seem they mean real harm.
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My own opinion, as someone who participated to battles for 8 years on op-forums and tried to launch such tradition here is that it takes some effort to set this up and follow this till it’s over.
I can blindly assume @BLKrbbt and any people organizing a battle have pure intentions.
In 8 years I have never seen using SoundCloud being a problem. Nor one track becoming a hit.
We do it for fun, as a practice, with uncleared samples, doing our best…
While the point stays theoretically valid, IMO the few listenings don’t make it a case in reality.
Maybe it should be made clear that every track submitted is under one of Creative Commons license, so that it’s a bit protected and not used to make money by a third party.
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Personally I’ve always found the idea of sending in tracks for an Elektron mission brief, to someone elses SoundCloud a bit bloody odd.
Literally all of the other mission briefs, beat battle , open challenge, call em what you will ask for submission by upload here, or post a link from your own soundcloud or bandcamp etc.
Call me old fashioned, but even if its just for an internet forum muck around, ones work is ones own. And one should maintain complete control of it.
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I think this whole anonymous posting for blind votes led to this.
It’s also more practical to make a SC playlist, as users sometimes don’t use a SC account.
But I’m with you on this, I don’t think blind votes really bring something (apart some fun), and if everyone uses their own SC account, this whole discussion becomes irrelevant.
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Well, this whole thing got out of hand… I thought it was fun doing the blind voting… making it a battle, but since it seems to be so controversial, then why go out of my way? Its really becoming not worth it…
Im done hosting.
I think everyone appreciates the effort you put in 
The battles are great fun and everyone enjoys them.
Me and @aarb420 have discussed doing playlists/releases too, it can be good to collect all the entries in one place.
Maintaining upload-control of your work in BLK’s challenge would remove the blind voting - which seems like an important component.
I do have to stress again though that nobody is losing ownership of their work by allowing BLK to upload it to an SC playlist. All you’re losing control of is the 0.0000001c ad revenue that might be generated by the year 2100 on that specific upload. There are no copyright implications, you still retain full ownership over your work.
Would it make people more comfortable if the tracklist was taken down after the challenge? Feels like some history is lost but maybe that’s a compromise that would make some feel more comfortable.
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I already pulled down the playlists.
Its over.
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This thread is a perfect example why humanity can’t have nice things.
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I just realized… It was actually COSTING me money to host this… I upgraded my Soundcloud to Next pro just to accommodate all the tracks.
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it’s awkward to comment on this without making it appear as though one is taking sides, but without commenting on the issue itself, in general you as a person are a super nice dude and as I am not an alumni forum member, I can tell you that not everyone here is as accepting of new members/all members as you are.
Do what you want with battles, don’t do anyone any favors you don’t want to, don’t get involved in any endeavor which you aren’t prepared to be criticized for or critiqued on.
some people choose to shine their own shoes, many are too lazy to do so on their own. Replace the words “shine their own shoes” with “host their own tracks anonymously”.
this is my take away from this as well,
but also as someone who as a result of similar concerns about intellectual property, has a lot of unreleased music which will now probably be forever tied up in perpetuity due to creative differences, as I move in a different direction - on my own - I can appreciate that there is more to this than just intentions.
This is not a fun game when people start signing waivers or paying fees or doing any of the things that would make this function in “the real world”.
I’m literally only commenting because I think rabbit is a good dude and there’s no chance anyone is going to pick up the torch on this if he puts it down. If people want to be involved in anything where they aren’t judged based on popularity of username, there has to be some method of maintaining anonymity - the productive thing to do would be have a discussion about ways to do that.
Now that I’ve painted a target on my back I’ll just post a meme and go fuck myself.
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