Yeah, because a drum synth and a sampler are the same thing…? 
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Unless you meant Digitone II but then I still don’t agree tbh.
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I think we’re veering into off topic territory here a bit too much debating the merits of the Syntakt. 
So: Congrats on the update Elektron. I think the Tonverk is a winner and once all wrinkles are ironed out it’ll be unstoppable.
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They are not the same but they share characteristics such as the sequencer where the new versions have 128 steps.
You lot really are a ray of sunshine innit.
I bet yous are the ones that leave them horrible 1 star reviews on TripAdvisor about how Marjorie couldn’t sleep because of the pigeons outside and how the room was facing a bit too much to the North and it made you feel a bit cold.
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I’ll start by saying I actually ordered both the Tonverk and the Torso S-4, with the plan to keep whichever one really clicks with me. The S-4 hasn’t arrived yet, but I spent a solid 8–10 hours with the Tonverk yesterday — and despite its issues, I really like it.
To be honest, after reading all the negativity about the Tonverk I almost didn’t even open the box. Part of me thought, “Maybe I should just return it unopened.” But curiosity got the better of me. My mindset was: if the first update fixed the MIDI jitter, I’d be happy. The update dropped yesterday, but unfortunately the jitter is still there, which really complicates multi-sampling.
In practice, that meant about 20% of the time I had to stop and start over because of it — definitely frustrating. But here’s the thing: there’s something about the sound of the Tonverk that I haven’t experienced with any other box. It really does sound amazing. I even managed to build around 20 multisample presets, and when it works, it shines.
- The low end has this solid weight to it that just feels right, which is a highlight for me cause I’ve always struggled to get bass sounds I’m happy with…
I can’t help but think that once the bugs are sorted out, this thing is going to be huge. Add in the upcoming granular effects and (dreaming here) maybe even a looper like the S-4 has, and it could become the perfect box for me. I haven’t even dug into the FX and bus routing yet — I was just focused on sampling — so I know there’s still a lot to explore.
Yes, it’s rough around the edges right now. But if Elektron delivers on fixing the jitter and stabilizing the workflow, the Tonverk has the potential to be something really special.
I would really love to see the midi jitter fixed before my 45 days return window is up though. Crossing my fingers…
But yeah the Tonverk really does sound unbelievable…
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I understand the frustration.
It might help to understand that in nowadays world, a company doesn’t put a hardware product on the market without a huge amounts of logistics, with many people involved. So you have to fix a date, and as it is very hard to cancel it you have to make what you can to release at that time.
The other aspect is that it is near impossible to test everything on a hardware unit.
Each tester, each user has its own workflow, even a mechanical automaton is programmed with one particular workflow in mind.
A million users with each their own way to use the machine is hard to beat.
Last thing is that this is a brand new architecture, with most likely new devs.
So many aspects to debunk, that you might not have to retry in details if it’s the fifth version of the architecture you put out.
So yeah, nowadays I think it’s best, if you don’t want to deal with teething troubles, to wait a few months for the firmware updates to come out.
But if you are willing to try it anyway, cause you think it is still a nice box despite the present flaws, you might want to think that you are actually helping the community when you declare a bug. Cause you do.
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What you say make sense, but only up to a certain point.
A fair way would have been to preventively inform customers that the unit has still important bugs to fix, and perhaps offer the unit at an “early bird” price for those willing to spend their money and their time to help the “community”.
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I think the autosampler not really working when being the main selling point of all the promo can’t be explained by that. Otherwise I agree. I’m with @salami.wav that transparency from the start would have earned them trust as a positive example compared to Torso, TE or 1010. No way they didn’t know the auto sampling and MIDI sync is an issue before releasing it.
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Millions of users ? Using Tonverk ? Really ?
I appreciate what you’ve said but 1 user who’s never turned on the device before would’ve found undo button doesn’t work .
The jitter / midi issues could not have got past any competent qa dept , I expect it was a fully understood/reported issue , I refuse to believe that it was only found out once the public got it, but it’s likely something they’ve been working on for ages .
I’ve moaned enough about it already , things are improving . It’ll be fine eventually .
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Some of you are really beating a dead horse here.
You’ve made your point. It’s valid.
Leave some space here for people discussing other aspects of the TV.
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I 100% expected to be buying a v1 firmware when i ordered the TV
I expect that is very similar for elektron users who have bought many of their prior machines.
Don’t disagree with the frustrations of those who expected a polished V2 level firmware on first release - not an unreasonable expectation.
But elektron are firmly in the camp of incremental updates for many years and once initial kinks are ironed out, there are plenty examples of way above and beyond continued development. It’s a selling point.
Buy from many other manufacturers and updates may be marginal if at all. That too can be a good thing if you know what to expect and are happy with your day 1 purchase.
I agree with Hawk though - let’s not keep repeating it over and over again. Point made. I’m sure the complainers will be the first to compliment elektron if future updates add features well beyond the initial spec …
Sometimes I think this is a critical medical equipment forum 
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