Noob questions

Seems like a problem with your gainstaging imho.

Here are two threads about gainstaging on OT.

My OT is part drum machine, part fx processor/mixer and midi sequencer for my gear.
I have Master Volume set to 0, I use track levels for mixing (usually no track is going above 100, sometimes the bass drum track is set to 105ish), amp volume is used for p-locking.

When recording, I’ll usually mix itb, all four outputs used (headroom), but I’ve also done many tracks recording straight from OTs stereo out as well as using main out for drums and cue out for other stuff + external gear with mixing mostly done in OT.

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Noise without anything plugged?
I confirm Main increases noise floor.
What about Thru tracks, compressor(s), other fx increasing volume?
What about your input levels/leds?

Did you try OT Noise Gate(s)?

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Indeed my gain stage was not so good, that’s why i needed to put the MAIN +63. But now i’ve improved this and all my external gear are with optimal volume settings. But still, i have considerable noise floor coming from the Octatrack itself, even with all THRU machines off.

With the new settings, all THRU machines off and MAIN +32, i 'm getting about -71db of noise floor, which i think is pretty high in this situation, don’t you think ?

The noise gate won’t help in this situation, as the noise is coming also from the Octa, not only from my external gear.

It’s a mistery… maybe my Octa’s soundcard is deffective ?

Checking with OT headphones output, do you have noise with a new project, default settings, nothing plugged, Master 0 ?
I barely hear noise with max headphones volume and Master +63.

On the headphone i also barely can hear the noise, but to really diagnose it you need to record from the Main out in a DAW. In my case even with no THRU machines and the Octa stopped, i get about -79 db of noise floor. The MIX > Main has little influence on it ; with Main on 0 and Main on +63, i get only about +2db of noise.

I tested with a new project and the noise floor is the same. This isn’t really an issue for live use, but it is annoying for recording a mixdown to release a track… :face_with_head_bandage:

Any mixer?
What the noise if you record with your DAW without the OT plugged? (same inputs, same conditions)

Yes, i tested with the two interfaces i have : StudioLive 16.0.2 and Analog Heat Mk2 (with Overbridge, 100% dry). Bot have similar results, same noise floor…

Did you try a different wall outlet ? Maybe grounding issue ?

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This is the only thing i did not tried yet, because all my gear is mounted in a hardcase and will be a pain to take off all PSU to test. One thing i noticed today is , in the same case i have 4 Elektron machines (Octa, Rytm, Digitone and Heat) and all PSUs are very close to each other. Could this be an issue ?

You on OT mkII or mkI?
MKI has unbalanced inputs and one time I resolved a buzz/noise issue by moving power cables away from my TS cables going into OT’s inputs. For MKII using balanced TRS cables it shouldn’t be an issue…

I haven’t read all the posts about the noise but I will say that very often it’s just gain staging of not only OT but all equipment in the signal chain and can be worked out, for reference I have no discernible noise coming from my OT. Also sometimes fx and things just make noise and its part of the drill, every electric guitar ever I imagine has a lot higher noise floor than what your experiencing, but that hasn’t stopped people from liking the countless famous recordings. It gets lost in the mix and noise gates, etc. can be used…

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I’m on MK2.

I did everything possible in the gain stage area. Actually my Octa has a constang noise of about -80db even STOPPED. Nothing is playing, but the noise is still constant.

Using balanced or non balanced cables on the main audio makes any difference ?

:sketchy:

Some quick questions for you guys:

  • I’m trying to emulate pitchbend in a bassline done with a single cycle waveform. I could use a lfo for this, but my note has a 4 steps duration and I want the bend to start on the third. What’s the best method to delay the bend and hit precisely the right note easily? Lfo designer? A lfo locked on a trigless trig? Tried to go from a note to another with slide trigs but the slide was immediate.

  • can’t copy and paste several trigs at the same time, right?

  • I’m trying to resample an 8 bar loop with rec trig and get a perfect loop but you can’t input a specific value beyond 64 in RLEN. What do? For now, I set it on max, put a one shot rec trig, rec mode in one2, a blank bar after my 8 bars, then trim the silence in the editor but that kinda defeats the point.

  • is there an easy way to copy all the settings of one track + its trigs to another one? I often fall in the trap of trying many things all over my tracks and then go “eh I could use a neighbor machine here…”.

Thx guys!

  • it works with a trigless and slide on the same step
  • no
  • set QREC to 64, ONE2 rec buttons, wait for 8 bars
  • Func+Track = Copy Track, in grid rec mode
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Sezare to the rescue!

  • so, I gather you can slide from trigless to trigless values? If that’s the case, that’s awesome because hitting the right pitch with an lfo gets old faaaaast.
  • ah, dammit.
  • just checked QREC in the manual. Rec trigs already blew my mind, but this is another level of mindblowing.
  • dunno why I didn’t try it, makes sense.

Thx Sezare!

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You can slide from trigs, trigless trigs, one shot trigs, not from trigless locks. Trig conditions affects behavior.

Next trig (target trig) can be a trig, trigless trig, trigless lock, one shot trig (allways slide armed or not). Trig conditions don’t seem to affect slide behavior.

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Allow me to resurrect this thread…
Im the frightened owner of a used OT MKII as of about 1 month ago.
I have owned the DT for 2 years, the DN for 1.5 years and i feel pretty comfortable on both of those instruments even if my muscle memory leaves a bit to be desired. I purchased the OT with every intention of taking the rest of my life (or the OT’s, which ever comes first but im only 41) to learn this thing and enjoy the ride. Ive read the manual, and when i run into problems i consult it first, though its often like searching for water in the desert as that manual is drier than a cats ass as far as reading is concerned. I know the information is in there, but its hard to find sometimes when your problem is driving you up the walls.
After spending three weeks learning about flex and static machines, transferring samples from the computer to the OT, slicing, and assigning parameters to scenes, I felt like i was figuring things out pretty good and that i was moving right along. i started messing about with slide trigs and things were going good. So, i wanted to start experimenting with Through Machines, and assigning the DT and DN to their own track respectively and going from there.
The amount of weird MIDI bullshit i encountered has me wanting to just box up the OT for a while and walk away from it, as my music making has ground to a frustrating halt and the fun has been squeezed out of it.
My setup was (i did box it up, so im recreating from memory): OT MIDI Out > DN MIDI IN
DN MIDI Thru>DT MIDI IN
I had the DT and DN set to recieve CLOCK, TRANSP, and Pattern Change
I had OT set to send CLOCK, TRANS and P Change
(with this set up on just the DT and DN i had no problems whatsoever)

As far as the Thru machines goes: T1 = DT into AB, T2=DN into CD, both set to Thru
I had formatted the CF card, and started new projects on the DT, DN, and OT.
Now, this is where it got weird…
Changing the volume on The Thru Track SRC page would adjust both the ratios of the B Operator on the DN and the Pitch on the SRC page on the DT (it would drop it below -24 too, and just say ERR)
The cross fader seemed to be affecting multiple parameters…
Touching knobs on the OT is affecting parameters on both machines at once and i did not dive into any sort of MIDI CC set up. Aside from this, changing patterns on the OT doesnt change patterns on either of the other machines…
Its really frustrating!
I cant tell you how many of these sorts of threads ive read already, hard to find my exact problem either in the manual or in the forum.
Im not bitching about the OT, its clearly an amazing machine. But its proving to be really difficult to play nice with my other, all Elektron, gear…
i do feel like i need a break regardless. its stopped being fun and more like a self taught school session… but, man… any advice is welcome.
To reiterate, i cant get the OT to change patterns on the DT and DN, and without adjusting any sort of CC Send from the OT, its affecting parameters across both machines…

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I think I’ve solved part of your problems. Set the Audio CC OUT to INT:

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that seems very likely, but with out having set any MIDI CCs to send out, why would it on default?
I was starting from a VERY intentional clean slate

Not sure why it’s INT+EXT by default, but I had a similar problem a while ago and it baffled me too haha

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