The problem with that is how then to distinguish between synced to sequencer or synced to other pickup, also slave is only mentioned AFAIK on page 49, on the interface it is denoted by a ‘P for master or ,P for slave. Maybe the manual could be changed to “subsequent” pickup, if it really upsets people, at least then it still makes sense in this context.
What about “follower”?
Or “carried”?
“Constrained”?
My English is not subtle enough to go too deep in what such words could implicate.
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For reference, the section in the manual:
Edit: I guess follower pickup machine could make sense @LyingDalai
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Yes, I think it’s time to ask @eangman’s their own thoughts on this precise aspect 
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Primary and Secondary are an easy substitution in this case for pickup machines too - maybe Prime/Sub
“Follower” describes what is happening with more accuracy.
I’m all for accuracy, when it is to define concepts.
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Yes I think so too, if follower does not then need to be changed for cult victims of course, I’m not being sarcastic.
I do still find it strange that master is ok because it has other meanings, but slave is not yet it has other meanings also. It seems illogical, in the context of slavery the master is obviously the oppressor, but I guess that because it has meaning in academia it gets a pass.
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Given this precedent from the ubiquitous Ableton peeps, it seems a fair starting position - as mentioned elsewhere, we need to allow Elektron to factor in how a term is translated in this particular context (PUM) as well as MIDI scenarios. It’s not for us to decide, it may be useful to establish how midi.org, Sequential/Roland document the MIDI application nowadays, Peter stated Transmitter/Receiver was already used and it works well as a noun and verb and should translate well.
For my purposes, i’m gonna try to be mindful hereon in, i wouldn’t have judged anyone the day before yesterday or tomorrow, but on reflection i’d like to evolve the terms to something else, to make that successful it follows it should be a consensus within the broader gear community, so those who have moved on already from the terminology could be looked at as has happened in the thread
Pickup machines can be whatever Elektron want, but i may refer to those as Prime/Linked or Main/Linked in the short term if it pops up, it should be obvious in context
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The topic has been a bit heated, let’s aim to keep it civil
Language develops over time, as do attitudes.
I remember when I was younger and in the army cadets, when stripping, cleaning and re-assembling weapons, the term “male into female” was used a lot by instructors to describe certain processes.
At the time (about 25 years ago), no-one fainted or needed counselling over it (not even the surprisingly high number of girls present). But our generation grew up into one that finds such terminogy a bit silly and which uses more neutral terminology for such things.
The master/slave thing will go the same way. Our kids will look back at us and think our language was terrible about these things. And their kids the same…That’s progress.
But telling those who use/don’t see a big problem with such terminology that they are racist or that they are upholding oppression achieves nothing.
Progress happens, but it happens slower than a lot of us would like and that’s a bit shit, but I don’t see how “calling out” (which is just a nice “liberal” synonym for name-calling) people for not being as progressive and awesome as you is going to make that progress happen any faster.
These sorts of debates are a crucial part of linguistic and societal progress, but debates must recognise that different opinions warrant equal respect.
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I just want to be clear: so your position is that language of oppression and those who would have it upheld regardless of people’s offense are both positions deserving of respect?
I understand the desire that people be respectful in their disagreements, I…somewhat…agree (dependent on if reciprocated). But I’m asking specifically about the positions: they deserve respect too, as if they are worthy of intellectual consideration?
i think that is the problem.
because in brave new world hierarchy is offensive by itself and will be treated as oppressive.
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Male/female is also used to describe connectors, again words have meaning in their context used, it is how language works.
Fag is slang for cigarette, an inconvenience, or a homosexual slur, depending on context.
Faggot is a type of meatball, a bundle of sticks or a homosexual slur depending on context.
Flange is an audio effect, a tape reel, a rim/face on a pipe, or slang for female genitalia depending on context.
Etc etc etc.
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I get that you have strong and passionate opinions, but you are in danger of working under the assumption that your opinions are actually facts.
If all you do to those who disagree with you is denounce them in such a manner then you will only succeed in entrenching existing positions.
You are working under the assumption that, because you believe these words to be oppressive, that they are oppressive and that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is therefore an oppressor, which leaves no room for actual debate.
So yes, in order to reach consensus, we have to try to respect the beliefs of those we disagree with, no matter how difficult.
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I have to say, I do love moderate, inclusive and pondered comments.
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This is the second or third time someone has claimed I personally denounced anyone. I never did that. I never pointed at any one person and denounced them. In addition, I personally never said this language was oppressing anyone. My position has always been about its offense (to me, at least) as its adopted from language of the oppressor.
My argument has always the denouncement of the defense of oppressor language. Master-slave is oppressor language. That is a fact. Therefore, its defense and the desire its use continue is defending and upholding oppressor language. I understand that some here don’t want that to be so but it so.
@xidnpnlss I think the point of fact being if the language is oppressive or not used in context, you believe that it is, others don’t.
I’m a little confused here, if language doesn’t oppress anyone, what does it matter if someone uses oppressor language?
I’m not trying to piss you off, just looking to understand your argument.
That’s not my position. My position is that it’s an abhorrent term because it was adopted from its oppressor definition.
well, this term is strongly associated with …
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